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I'm sure I sin every day. But I at least strive to not sin. Same sex marriage is a public declaration that you intend to continue living against God's will on a daily basis.
You are sure? How can you NOT know for a fact if you "sin?"
How do you repent 24/7 if you are unaware of your short-comings and transgressions??? Would you be willing to share how you "might" maybe sin on a daily basis?
ALL this is YOUR opinion. It is not necessarily the thinking of other people.
You cannot and have NO RIGHT forcing your OPINION on others as a statement of FACT...
Your SIN is not the same as someone else.
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It's not my opinion. It's the Word of God.
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. "
Romans 1:27
That verse is PLAIN AS DAY.
If it was PLAIN AS DAY to YOU, Jeff, you would do the right thing and tie that verse in with the previous verses because you're an honest person ...right?
You would also not equate Paul's epistles with God because that would be blasphemy ...right?
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Tie it to temple prostitution all you want.
Other than YOUR deceptive private interpretation, there's no private interpretation going on here, Jeff. Read the whole thing. It's your buddy Paul that is tying verses 26-27 with the previous verses that describe idolatry and temple prostitution.
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It doesn't change what the verse says.
You're right. It doesn't. Verses 26 & 27 are a continuation of the previous verses that describe idolatry practices.
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Men abandoned natural relations with women. That means same sex relations is unnatural.
That's Paul's coy way of saying that men were performing sex with temple prostitutes. Would you have preferred that he was more graphic? You appear to have little grasp of "Bible-talk", Jeff.
I wonder, Jeff ...if Paul were to appear right now in the year 2016, how many things would he find 'unnatural', do you think?
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If God approved of it, He would not have talked about it defiled and destroying other nations in the OT.
Huh?
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What are the sins you are living with? Tell us how you have overcome your sins and no longer SIN the same sins?
If Christ indeed has forgiven you (or others)O why do we need to continually ask forgiveness once we have accept the LOVE of Christ?
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My personal life is not the topic here. Nice try baiting me though.
Why not? You spend most of your time here involving yourself in the personal lives of others. Why should YOUR sinful life be off-limits?
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Is this not BLASPHEMY to continually SIN and repeatedly ask forgiveness? Are we not MADE NEW IN CHRIST and LOVE cast out ALL SIN?
If the OLD NATURE/SELF is sinful, is the NEW NATURE/SELF sinless?
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If you are made new in Christ, you shouldn't want to sin. And when you do, you feel ashamed for failing God. Sin sets up a barrier between us and God so at the very least, you are allowed your relationship to wither and be choked from growing.
That was an awful example to use, wouldn't Jesus know that humans can't stop sinning? When did you stop sinning, Jeff?
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That's a ridiculous position.
Why so? You point the finger at gay people for 'sinning' constantly and often use that quote from Jesus to back yourself up. When did you become immune to having that text leveled at you? Was it when you stopped sinning?
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So we should embrace sin because we are not able to 100% avoid sin like Christ?
It's little wonder that you haven't choked before now on that word "sin", Jeff, because you utter it so often. Straight people sin. Gay people sin. I sin. You sin. Everyone sins. Moreover, we will continue to sin until the day we die. There are NONE OF US that have heeded the words of Jesus, "Go and sin no more" . . .NOT ONE!
So . . .why do you have a specific ax to grind with the perceived sins of gay people, Jeff? Is it because of the kinds of sex you imagine them to be having when in private? Is THIS the perceived 'sin' you believe they're committing?
Please be specific, Jeff, as to what the 'gay sin' actually is . . .
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Jesus would have to told her to go enjoy prostituting some more, my dear since it's hopeless for you to stop. And that would be a sickening perversion of Christ's message.
Such nonsense. Jesus would have known that his words were impossible for a human being to obey. I believe that Jesus' statement was more a tongue-in-cheek remark in the same vein as "Where are your accusers?"
There is much reading between the lines of Jesus' statements that many Christians have not yet learned to grasp.
But Homosexuality was considered and a mental illness, until about 1973 and it wasnt until the late 80's in which removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
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Yeah just about the same time that the gay movement gain political power. I can't imagine anyone would dare publish a study that remotely criticizes homosexuality in any shape or form now. The media would rip them apart.
Hmmm . . .how interesting. It would seem that homosexuality being referred to as a mental illness is still a (cherished) belief of many Christians. So, such Christians can add, "They're sick" to the already perceived and condemned 'perverse life style' of the gay person.
So, if true, then homosexuals have a mental problem that was not asked for and something that is also beyond their control to rectify.
What, then, should we as Christians do to help these people who are 'that way' through no fault of their own?
Well, let' see.
I know. . .we'll do the very same thing that we do now! We will ostracize them! We will demonize them! WE will tell them repeatedly that they are sinners and deserving of hell-fire! THAT'S the way Christians deal with mentally ill people! We treat them with the contempt that they deserve! We, as 'God's favored ones', much prefer to shoot our wounded and broken brethren than to try and understand them!
Folks, whichever way one looks at this topic, let's face it ...so many professed "Christians" are little more than cruel, insensitive bast-a-ds!"
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. "
Romans 1:27
That verse is PLAIN AS DAY. Tie it to temple prostitution all you want. It doesn't change what the verse says. Men abandoned natural relations with women. That means same sex relations is unnatural. If God approved of it, He would not have talked about it defiled and destroying other nations in the OT.
My personal life is not the topic here. Nice try baiting me though.
If you are made new in Christ, you shouldn't want to sin. And when you do, you feel ashamed for failing God. Sin sets up a barrier between us and God so at the very least, you are allowed your relationship to wither and be choked from growing.
Yet YOU are all up in EVERYONE else's sin???????
And yet YOU continue to sin on a daily basis, watz up wit dat?
Is there any chance that a heterosexual would describe their 'lifestyle' to us? Is there any chance that a homosexual would describe their 'lifestyle' to us?
In this way we can compare and contrast the differences between the two or, indeed, determine whether or not either one is a 'lifestyle' at all.
Jeff, Vizio, Frogburn, Twin ...would you describe your 'lifestyle' to us?
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You've seen it. Prolly too many times haha, but I'll go again.
Thanks geekigurl. You're the only one that volunteered a description of their particular lifestyle. Twin just offered Bible texts to describe his 'lifestyle'.
While I'm certainly not a 'fruit inspector' I couldn't get a whole lot of 'sin' from your description. It seems to me like you're not even trying ...!
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