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Other than depictions of same sex couples, what "lifestyle" do you claim is being catered to?
The LGBTQQ thing has been in the news a LOT lately. Have you not been paying attention?
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DO you think the majority of homosexuals parade around in outlandish costumes?
No. But I do believe that there is a population of gay people that do get very excited about it on occasion.
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Have you ever attended a pride parade? Most are pretty laid back. My mother (mother to my gay sister and sister to her gay brother) has marched in pride parades for years. They are pretty low key. They are typically not full of men dressed in leather and wild makeup and hair, though there are some kink parades that have more of this (with the involvement of people of various sexual orientations.)
True there are some parades that are more outlandish in tone, and there are some really flamboyant, in-your-face gay people out there. A lot of the gay people I know think this does more harm than good from a PR perspective.
I honestly have not. I've seen news reports by local tv stations on them. I also have at various jobs in my past, worked closely with gay men and women. I'm not just some redneck in the boonies that has never met a gay man.
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Nobody is asking for any special laws.
Really? Because the whole marriage thing was about changing the definition of marriage that has been held to for 200+ years of our country's existence. There was never a prohibition against a gay person getting married.
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Of course it is. It's no more based solely on sex than being heterosexual is. Rational, thinking people have no problem understanding this. It seems to present a hurdle for bigots though. Particularly those who attempt to hide their bigotry behind holy books and religious dogma.
Geekie's human heart is pouring out kindness, encouragement, and compassion. Your god gurgles out the antithesis of what your bible describes as the fruit of the Spirit. You've chosen to listen to the anti-Spirit.
I suppose one could say that God's Holy Word the Bible could be called in a sense the anti-Spirit to the humanistic worldly thine self spirit which you profess openly.
I suppose one could say that God's Holy Word the Bible could be called in a sense the anti-Spirit to the humanistic worldly thine self spirit which you profess openly.
It's not necessary to shuck the whole bible as anti-Spirit, twin. There is a fair amount contained within it that is in harmony with the Spirit of love which concerns itself with the well-being of humanity. But, yes, there's some serious darkness contained within it as well.
The LGBTQQ thing has been in the news a LOT lately. Have you not been paying attention?
That doesn't answer the question. Nor does it bespeak a "lifestyle." I see people seeking an end to bigotry and discrimination.
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No. But I do believe that there is a population of gay people that do get very excited about it on occasion.
So? Is there a point to that comment? There are groups of heterosexual people who get together and pass out awards in a media glare for porn industry films. There are large groups of heterosexuals who engage in Spring Break bachanalia for a week out of the year. People do all kinds of things others might find wacky or offensive. It generally has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. And even when it does--so what?
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I honestly have not. I've seen news reports by local tv stations on them. I also have at various jobs in my past, worked closely with gay men and women. I'm not just some redneck in the boonies that has never met a gay man.
Okay. That's super for you.
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Really? Because the whole marriage thing was about changing the definition of marriage that has been held to for 200+ years of our country's existence.
It's about allowing consenting couples to marry--not discriminating against them based on their gender. There is nothing constitutional stating marriage was ever male/female. If anything, the DOMA crowd wanted to alter laws--to exclude certain people against who they were bigoted.
Besides which, you know..things change. Female spouses are more than just property now. Slavery has been abolished. People can't be forced to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
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There was never a prohibition against a gay person getting married.
Oh, this old nugget again. I don't know why you keep bringing this up It's foolish. Clearly it was not previously possible for adult, consenting couples to marry each other--based solely on their gender. Which is the very definition, of course, of bigotry and discrimination. Sure, gay people could marry--just not same sex partners. Wow--you really got me there. In fact, you just blew all our minds!
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So it IS a lifestyle?
You are heterosexual. Is it your "lifestyle?" Is being heterosexual what defines you? Is sex that much a priority in your life?
One thing for sure--bigotry is a lifestyle. And bigotry and being judgmental and fostering hate and ignorance are, I'd think, far more of an abomination to a loving god than love and affection between consenting adults who just happen to be of the same gender.
Aside from the obvious fact that it has zero impact on your life and is none of your business.
It's not necessary to shuck the whole bible as anti-Spirit, twin. There is a fair amount contained within it that is in harmony with the Spirit of love which concerns itself with the well-being of humanity. But, yes, there's some serious darkness contained within it as well.
And should reaction that surprise anybody after being told that Jesus says more than "love":
"This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of lightbecause their deeds were evil."
and what deeds are that?
Matthew 15:19 "For out of the heartcome evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." ~ Jesus
Revelation 21:8
" But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death"
Revelation 22:15
"Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." ~ Jesus
I don't think you or any other individual can speak to what "most Christians believes (sic)."
That's folly and arrogance.
Second, based on her posts, I don't see most of what Geekigurl says is very radical at all, and much of it seems to me to be based on the most important part of Jesus' teachings:
Love one another.
Forgive.
Be open hearted.
Do not judge.
How radical! I can see why, since you espouse the total opposite of all these things, you consider her some kind of hellbound freak.
Claiming that God did not create man and we evolved from primates is extremely radical belief for a Christian. She would be hard pressed to find ANY Christian denomination that agrees with her. All I see are high fives and "love" for those who champion homosexuality and bitterness for those who believe in the Bible.
Claiming that God did not create man and we evolved from primates is extremely radical belief for a Christian. She would be hard pressed to find ANY Christian denomination that agrees with her. All I see are high fives and "love" for those who champion homosexuality and bitterness for those who believe in the Bible.
Claiming that God did not create man and we evolved from primates is extremely radical belief for a Christian. She would be hard pressed to find ANY Christian denomination that agrees with her. All I see are high fives and "love" for those who champion homosexuality and bitterness for those who believe in the Bible.
Man, how sad and warped our society has become.
Wake up and smell the coffee, there are many Christians who don't take the Bible literally and believe in evolution, yet they are still followers of Christ. Your way of Christianity is not the end all be all, even though you'd like us to believe it is.
Personally I do not take peoples declarations by fiat as to what is moral or immoral however. Anyone, whether you thought them human or a god, that is meant to be RATIONAL..... and I assume you think your Nazerene was rational...... must have a rational basis for the positions they hold.
So I have little to no respect for the position of "Jesus appears to have thought homosexuality immoral, therefore homosexuality is immoral".
What I have respect for is "Jesus appears to have thought homosexuality is immoral, so let us check if that is the right interpretation of the position of Jesus by examining the topic of homosexuality and seeing if we can come up with ANY arguments, evidence, data or reasoning to support the position that homosexuality is immoral".
And when we take THAT approach we find the answer to this is a resounding "NO". No such arguments appear to exist, and they are not forthcoming. Least of all from you, other99, JeffBase40, convicted criminal Dinesh D'Souza..... or any of the other militant anti-homosexuals I could name on and off this forum.
At which point the intellectually honest approach would be to say "Ok, Jesus was rational.... but there is no rational arguments against homosexuality or homosexual unions..... therefore the failure must be with MY original assumption as to Jesus' position on this matter".
But alas that honest step is not one we see taken that often.
My sympathies are with Orthodoxy Christianity. Namely the Coptic Orthodox. Orthodoxy is a mystical religion and not a rational philosophy. So, I don't claim a doctrine of premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, and being a drunkard are sins, is rational. Kind of like impreganating 7 women and taking care of none of the children or women as a "dead beat dad" is an amoral issue in the science of biology and in fact is recognized as a man being more "fit" (survival of the fittest) than a man that produces no offspring (e.g., a Catholic priest or a homosexual man in a gay marriage). What I say is that I accept the authority of my Lord Christ and even if I don't understand why something is wrong (e.g., premarital sex with 100 different women, orgies, letting a gay man perform oral sex on you, murdering your enemy who set fire to your house) I I try to just accept what God says.
Intellectually I know why Catholism and Orthodoxy object to homosexual marriage (marriage being a specific concept, everything to do with creating a family, offspring, and rights for those children, and "sacramentality"). A marriage never existed in Catholicism until the couple had sex. And a marriage does not exist in Catholicism (annulled) if one of the spouses never intended to have kids and acts in such a way to prevent having kids ever. And the sacramental nature of marriage between baptized persons.
Jesus was opposed to men divorcing their wives (with exception) or taking more than one wife. For me I don't understand how that is "rational" but it is less important that I comprehend like Jesus than that I have faith and accept what he says is wrong as being wrong. The good thing about that is I can always ask forgiveness when I sin.
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Unfortunately (for you) the fact that this Jesus character was NOT said to have died, but said to now live in an ETERNAL state of bliss and dominion...... means the story makes a mockery of itself. No one else needs to come and do that for it.
Jesus lives eternally in heaven yes. Every human soul is eternal too. But human souls either exist eternally in "life" in heaven or in "death" in hell. That is true of humans that are tortured as POW's or abused for years by bullies. That they might find eternal life in heaven does not mock their torture on earth.
Your heart and comments about Jesus is something [b]you[b] will have to account for by yourself to Christ when you die. Everyone will account for their sins alone. We have free will and you have chosen to exercise yours in mocking Jesus.
Moderator cut: Unnecessary political remarks removed. I will not change your minds and you all will not change my mind. So, no real dialogue is possible. You believe as you do and I believe as I do.
Bye.
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