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Originally Posted by jimmiej
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The last chapter of mark...
A few more--
Can God be the author of confusion and contradiction?
i) I John 5:7 which hinted at the Trinity is taken out of every modern version of the Bible as it is not to be found in the most ancient manuscripts (that they have access to today).
There is therefore no longer any verse in the Bible which preaches three gods as one. The Koran preaches that God is one indivisible, and not a trinity ( Koran 4:171)
ii) II Samuel 24 :1 says that God incited David to number Israel .
I Chronicles 21:1 says that Satan incited David to number Israel. God and Satan are not synonymous.
iii) II Chronicles 36:9 says that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he became king.
II Kings 24:8 says Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he became king.
A difference of 10 years
iv) II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700 chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen
Contradiction: one says 700 the other 7000. One says 40,000 horsemen(cavalry), the other 40,000 footmen (infantry).
v) I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses
A difference of 36,000.
vi) Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.
vii) John the Baptist contradicts Jesus.
According to Jesus, John the Baptist was Elijah in his 2nd coming Matthew 17:11.
John the Baptist denied being Elijah when the priests and Levites questioned him
(John 1:19-21).
viii) Was Jesus put on a cross (Stauron in Greek) Mark 15:11 or on a tree (Ksulon in Greek) I Peter 2:24
ix) John 3:13 Jesus says that none has ascended into heaven except the son of man who descended from heaven.
This contradicts II Kings 2:11 which says that Elijah ascended into heaven.
x) The Genealogy of Jesus.
a) From David to Jesus 41 names (generations) are given by Matthew [although he claims
there are 42] as against the 26 names [generations] given by Luke [Luke 3]. A difference
of 15 whole generations in the genealogy of the same man.
Matthew mentions that Jesus was the seed of David through Solomon while Luke says that Jesus was the seed of David through Nathan [Solomon's brother]. This is a contradiction as the seed of David could never reach Jesus through Solomon and his brother Nathan at the same time. According to Matthew Jesus' grandfather is Jacob [the father of Joseph] while according to Luke it is Heli.
xi) Luke doesn't claim inspiration of his Gospel by God. He wrote it because he knew of the events and it "seemed good to him" ( Luke 1:1-5). Also see I Corinthians 7:25 where Paul, in this specific case says that he's informing without God's commandment. II Timothy 3:16 is presented to "prove" that all of the Bible is God's inspiration, the above 2 references apart from the many others disprove that.
The point is that the Bible itself doesn't claim to be completely from God (as a whole by name). That is what the Muslim point of view is also. Since God is all- Knowing and isn't the author of confusion, the above references cannot be from God.
"How can you say that we are wise and that the law of the Lord is with us but behold, the false pen of the scribe has made it into a lie." Bible. Jeremiah 8:8
"Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say:"This is from God", that they may trade it for some miserable gain. So woe to them for what their hands do write and woe to them for what they gain with it." Koran 2:79
This paper is not intended to be an attack on the Bible but is supposed to be an objective study and is recommended to be used as such. Indeed if similar mistakes were found in the Koran, I would gladly reject it as being God's word based on its own test:
"Do they not carefully consider the Koran? If it had been for anyone other than Allah (God), it would contain many contradictions. " (Koran 4:82)
May God guide us always closer to the truth.
THE BIBLE AND PEACE:
20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000 remaining Syrians.
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2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.
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2KI NGS5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy.
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2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
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2KINGS 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain.
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2KINGS 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father.
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2KINGS 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
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2KINGS 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...."
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2KINGS 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers.
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2KINGS 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.
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2KINGS 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
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2KINGS 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.
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2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
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2CHRONICLES 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
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2CHRONICLES 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
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PSALMS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle
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ISAIAH 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's toeat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
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EZEKIEL 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...."
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EZEKIEL 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."
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EZEKIEL 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children.
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EZEKIEL 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.
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EZEKIEL 23:25,47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores.
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HOSEA 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
MATTHEW 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.
THE BIBLE AND SLAVERY
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"Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God."
- Colossians 3:22
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"Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the foward.
- 1 Peter 2:18
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"Let as many servants as are under your yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed."
- 1 Timothy 6:1
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"Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ."
- Ephesians 6:5
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"Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; not purloining, but showing good
fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."
- Titus 2:9-10
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"And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a
day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."
- Exodus 21:20-21
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"If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out
by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master has given him a wife, and she has born him sons or daughters; the
wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges;
he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."
- Exodus 21:2-6
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"Both thy bondsmen, and thy bondsmaids, which thou shall have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondsmen and bondsmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession...
- Leviticus 25:44-45
THE BOOK OF JUDGES ("HOLY" BIBLE)
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
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JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an oxgoad.
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JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the ground.
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JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites, slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring the heads back to Gideon.
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JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of Penuel.
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JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people in the city.
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JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child, according to a vow he has made with the Lord.
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JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay thirty men.
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JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
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JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord, pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and causes his own death and that of 3000 other men and women.
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JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and unsuspecting people of Laish.
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JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and beasts and all that they found," and set their towns on fire.
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JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred young virgins whom they bring back for their own use.
1 SAMUEL AND 2 SAMUEL ("HOLY BIBLE").
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's abode.)
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1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his men cut down the Ammonites.
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1SA 15:3, 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
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1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the Philistines.
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1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord ...."
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1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry: "Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands."
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1SA 18:27 David murders 200 Philistines, then cuts off their foreskins.
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1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
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2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth, behead him, and take his head to David.
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2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed, their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies hanged by the pool at Hebron.
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2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded him, and smote the Philistines ...."
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2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's murderous conquests.)
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2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the horses.
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2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
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2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
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2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
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2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
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2SA 12:1, 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead for the sin that David has committed.
THE BOOK OF KINGS ("HOLY" BIBLE).
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
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1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
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1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
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1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating bread and drinking water in a place where the Lord had previously told him not to. This is in spite of the fact that the man had subsequently been lied to by a prophet who told the man that an angel of the Lord said that it would be all right to eat and drink there.
i) 1 samuel 18:27: Wherefore, David arose and he went he and his men and slew of the Philistines two hundred men and then guess what he did????? he chopped off their penis foreskins and gave them to Saul so that he could have his daughter michele as wife.
ii)Isaiah 36:12:" but Rabshakeh said.....has he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, THAT THEY MAY EAT THIER OWN DUNG AND DRINK THEIR OWN **** WITH YOU.
Non-Existent Prophecies
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Matthew 2:23 "that which was spoken by the prophets, 'He shall be called a Nazarene.'" The words Nazareth / Nazarene are not even found in the Old Testament. Use a word search.
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Matthew 27:9-10 In reference to the potter's field being bought with thirty pieces of silver, quoting Jeremiah in the Old Testament. This is not in
Jeremiah at all.
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Luke 24:46 & I Cor.15:4 After Jesus resurrected, he said, "Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead
the third day." This is a non-existent prophecy. There is no reference to a third day resurrection anywhere in the Old Testament.
MEDIA AND MODERN RESEARCH
"In their relentless search for "the historical Jesus," various Biblical Scholars argue that the Gospel stories of the empty tomb and Jesus'
post-resurrection appearances are fictions devised long after his death to justify claims of his divinity." (Rethinking the Resurrection, Newsweek. April 8 1996, page 42)
"While belivers through the ages have echoed Peter's faith-filled declaration, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God," some modern scholars say that historical evidence reveals a much different portrait of Jesus than the one in Christian creeds." (In search of Jesus, U.S.News & World Report, April 8 1996, page 47)
What do they say about the Bible?
"For another, the post-resurrection stories contain a variety of factual discrepancies about the main characters, places, times and the messages attributed to the Risen Jesus. For example, the Gospel of Matthew has Jesus appearing first to Mary Magdalene and other woman. Luke gives the
first appearance to Peter, and (with the exception of a later addition to his Gospel) Mark contains no post-Resurrection appearances at all. Luke's Gospel says that Jesus appeared to the apostels in the Jerusalem area; Matthew says it was in Galilee." (Rethinking the Resurrection, Newsweek. April 8 1996, page 44)
"Many sholars think the gospels are unreliable records since they were written as proclamation, not objective history, decades after Jesus's
death." (In search of Jesus, U.S.News & World Report, April 8 1996, page 47)
"There are, after all, four Gospels, whose actual writing, most scholars have come to acknowledge, was done not by the Apostles but by their anonymous followers (or their follower's followers). Each presented a somewhat different picture of Jesus's life. (The search for Jesus, TIME,
April 8 1996, page 38)
THE BIBLE AND WOMEN
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
(Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the *****, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
(Leviticus 21:9)
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days;
according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)
"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
Jesus a baby killer??
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)
On witches:
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)
Don't Harm the man but take the woman:
"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good
unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)
Silence The Woman:
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
Stone them:
"If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;" (Deuteronomy 22:22)
"Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)
Best way to get your choice bride is to rape her or have adultry with her according to
the Bible:
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of
silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
Wives submit to your husbands as if they are Gods According to the Bible:
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. " (Ephesians 5:22-24)
Women have to shut up according to the Bible:
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
Husband rules over the wife according to the Bible:
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16)
God rips pregnant women according to the Bible:
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces,
and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)
Women's wickedness is the worst:
"Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman." (Eccles. 25:13)
"Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles. 25:22)
"If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)
"The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse
herself through overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)
"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman
is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)
"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)
"For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wi
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