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Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.
Correct. This is, also, correct of any human, enlightened ones excluded.
As non-enlightened ones are in unconscious dream, called reality. While it is only an illusion.
What you call god is in every thing and every one. Every thing and every one is god's creation, god's child. God never left us. We simply forgot about the god within.
Hence, anything that is done by a non enlightened human can not hold him responsible for, as he acts in state on non consciousness. Like a person that kills someone in his dream. Can he be held in court for that? It's a dream. there is no laws against that.
The true responsibility is clearly on the creator. And, as creation keeps existing, it apparently is Ok with creator - as is. Or, creation would not exist.
The Jews were persecuted for generations because of the idea that they helped kill Jesus. Pontius Pilate ultimately had the final say. How were the Romans (Italians) able to avoid the blow-back?
I have always been struck by the way Pilate tried to avoid crucifying Jesus. Some blame the Romans for killing Jesus, but clearly it was the fault of the Jewish leaders. The Jews were of 2 camps, those who chose to accept Jesus as Messiah, and those who rejected and wanted to kill Him. The Jewish law at the time said that anyone who makes himself to be the Son of God can be killed for blasphemy. Ironically they had that in common with modern day Muslims who say the same.
John: '6 Therefore, when the chief priests and officers saw Him, they cried out, saying, “Crucify Him, crucify Him!”
Pilate said to them, “You take Him and crucify Him, for I find no fault in Him.”
7 The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God.”
8 Therefore, when Pilate heard that saying, he was the more afraid, 9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer.
10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?”
11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”
I watched The Gospel of John last night, and the actor portraying Pilate really brought that across.
I am not fond of these conversations, however, since the actions of the Jewish leadership at that time and place has been used as an excuse for the mistreatment of Jews ever since.
God killed Jesus..why is it so difficult to understand that no HUMAN had anything to do with Christ dying?
IN SHORT... The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.' - More
IN SHORT... What, EXACTLY does Gd say about human sacrifice in the Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible? In Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Gd calls human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him, 'for every abomination to the Etrnl, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.' In Jeremiah 19:4-6, Gd tells us that human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation, 'They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind.' We see the same thing in Psalm 106:37-38, and in Ezekiel 16:20. This teaches that Gd would not accept Jesus' death on the cross as a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The very idea of that Gd would accept a human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is unbiblical. More
It is the carnal spirit of the world who kill Jesus through the sin of envy , see these demonic spirit abide on the heart of these people and leaders who seen the miracles and judged the Words of Jesus with contempt ........God did not kill Jesus but He just allowed the killing to happen were the prayers of people for Jesus were not heard because the judgment of the cross would be a benefit for souls for heaven
It is the carnal spirit of the world who kill Jesus through the sin of envy , see these demonic spirit abide on the heart of these people and leaders who seen the miracles and judged the Words of Jesus with contempt ........God did not kill Jesus but He just allowed the killing to happen were the prayers of people for Jesus were not heard because the judgment of the cross would be a benefit for souls for heaven
RESPONSE: No. It was the Romans who killed (executed) Jesus for the crime of insurrection along with two other insurrectionists, one of the two crimes that the Romans crucified for.
A simple explanation is well attested to by the Gospels.
Jesus claimed to be the Messiah who, by definition, was to sit on the throne of David. That meant that Jesus would replace Roman rule - treason to the Romans.
A sign listing the offense for which he was crucified was nailed to his cross "King of the Jews"!
The "It was all of us that killed Jesus" or "Jesus died for our sins" (apparently originated by Paul) is historical nonsense.
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