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Ah, so you know better than the Jews...Got it...BTW, Ruth converted...AND...
Boaz (a descendant of the courageous prince Nachshon of the tribe of Judah, who was first to jump into the high waves of the Red Sea) was the most important person of the Jewish people in his days. He and Ruth were blessed with children, and Ruth lived long enough to see her great-grandson David become king of Israel. - Ruth - Jewish History
Yes I do know better than modern Jews because they ignore scripture for tradition.
By your reasoning Boaz was not a Jew as his mother was .. Rahab from Jericho.
Ruth was a Moabite so their son Obed was not a Jew.
All through the book of Ruth, which includes after her conversion, she is NOT referred to as a Jew, but as a Moabite.
Oh and Joseph married an Egyptian so his two sons Manasseh and Ephraim were not Jews, so 2 of the 12 tribes are not Jews.
Oh and Ephraim and his brother were the sons of Joseph and .... Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera the priest of On.
In Scripture all genealogy goes through the Father, not the mother. The idea the mother determines who is a Jew is based on traditions of men.
Conversion has nothing to do with it, genealogy does.
Rome had the only power over life and death. Where in the Bible are the Jews crucifying anyone?
The Jews did not kill Jesus. Rome killed Jesus.
When Rome created and co-opted Christianity they needed to absolve themselves of killing the man they elevated to Christ. They needed a scapegoat . Rome had destroyed and scattered Israel/Palestine. The Jews became a convenient scapegoat and could not defend themselves.
Blaming the Jews for killing Jesus is a bit of ignorance. It is also anti-Semitic.
John 19:14-15 14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
They were the motivating force and pushed Pilate into doing what he did not want to do.
That however has nothing to do with all Jews then or at any time since. To blame the Nation is racism.
However the religious leaders were guilty and that is why Judaism today is not any longer a Nation of God nor has His blessing. Individuals who turn to God through Jesus are among His people.
Jewishness comes through the mother while tribal affiliation comes through the father...
What? Not sure what the distinction you make between 'Jewishness' and 'tribal affiliation', but I admit it's pretty funny. The fact is that God chose to establish the nation of Israel thru the descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, namely the twelve sons of Jacob, not the 12 daughters of Jacob.
However the religious leaders were guilty and that is why Judaism today is not any longer a Nation of God nor has His blessing. Individuals who turn to God through Jesus are among His people.
I think this must be a joke after God prophesied the scattering of Israel and then prophesied their gathering back to their nation which is a pure miracle that could have never happened but God said it would happen and he has gathered them back, have you noticed?
Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism, and some of us that still believe in a Jewish Messiah, still practice Judaism.
God wiped out ten tribes in Israel because they invented their own worship system and chose their own holy city that was not in Judaism, why would he give Christians a pass for doing the exact same thing?
You say Jesus, but are you sure you don't need to convert to the original religion of Jesus IN Judaism?
People claim to be the bride of a Jew with 7 appointed days for the bride and those days HAVE NOT been fulfilled. People are only betrothed to Christ and this took place on Pentecost, there is still Rosh Hashanah coming and it's ten days to Yom Kippur, the birth of Tabernacles and Shemini Azteret all appointed for the bride of Jesus to actually be able to enter into the marriage chamber in order to consummate the marriage that is promised, in order to birth a child from a consummation and to be circumcised of the flesh on the eighth day appointed for circumcision, all the days of Jesus teach the bride but if the bride will not watch, she will neither know the day or the hour, and some obviously doesn't
How is anyone going to enter the marriage chamber of God if they are not sealed in their forehead against Yom Kippur? There are brides who will not enter in and there are Jewish brides who will. If you don't have oil to see your way in the darkness in how to find and enter the marriage chamber, you better go buy some oil. If you don't keep the 7 appointed days of the bride, how will you ever find out where to buy oil so that you may find your way when all these things are taught in Judaism, Not Christianity.
Shemini Atzeret is the 8th day of Tabernacles when the second rain is promised, that second rain is what circumcises the grown man that was born from the consummation. The flesh is cut away and spirit remains.
What? Not sure what the distinction you make between 'Jewishness' and 'tribal affiliation', but I admit it's pretty funny. The fact is that God chose to establish the nation of Israel thru the descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, namely the twelve sons of Jacob, not the 12 daughters of Jacob.
Yes I do know better than modern Jews because they ignore scripture for tradition.
By your reasoning Boaz was not a Jew as his mother was .. Rahab from Jericho.
Thus was Rahab’s prophecy fulfilled. Our sages tell us she was one of the chassidoth (pious Jewish women), for her changeover to belief in G‑d and His Torah was even more sincere than that of those two other famous people—Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses, and Naaman, the brave Syrian general—who were converted to the Jewish faith. For Rahab declared that the G‑d of Israel “is G‑d in heaven above and on the earth beneathâ€! This was a remarkable confession of faith in the One and Only G‑d, which even many a Jew sometimes forgot during those days when the belief in idols and many gods was so common. Our rabbis in the Midrash, in fact, tell us that G‑d was very pleased with Rahab’s faith, and said: “On earth, you could see with your own eyes that there is no other G‑d beside Me. But to declare also that I am the only G‑d also in heaven—this shows real faith. I promise you therefore that one of your descendants shall be one of the greatest prophets, for whom the heavens will be opened, and he will see what no other prophet has seen.â€
That was the great prophet Ezekiel, who saw the divine chariot in heaven. Rahab’s reward was more than that. She became Joshua’s wife, and was the ancestress of great priests and prophets, among them also the prophet Jeremiah and the prophetess Huldah. - Rahab - Jewish History
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Ruth was a Moabite so their son Obed was not a Jew.
All through the book of Ruth, which includes after her conversion, she is NOT referred to as a Jew, but as a Moabite.
...the Book of Ruth -- the story of a Moabite woman who converted to Judaism and who eventually married a judge of Israel, Boaz... - The Book of Ruth: A Mystery Unraveled
Oh and Joseph married an Egyptian so his two sons Manasseh and Ephraim were not Jews, so 2 of the 12 tribes are not Jews.
Oh and Ephraim and his brother were the sons of Joseph and .... Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera the priest of On.
In Scripture all genealogy goes through the Father, not the mother. The idea the mother determines who is a Jew is based on traditions of men.
Conversion has nothing to do with it, genealogy does.[/quote]
All of these women were converts to Judaism...You obviously know very little about Judaism...It is in the Torah regarding Jewishness coming through the mother and tribal affiliation coming through the father, so it has nothing to do with the traditions of men...
I was asking because some are under the impression that you can 'become' Jewish by adopting the religion, when in fact 'Jewishness' is a bloodline, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, via the patriarchs. I normally post to the Politics forum, never the Religion forum, but something prompted to.
It is through Isaac only, otherwise Ishmael's descendants would also be Jews, for they also were circumcised, which is the sign of the covenant...Jewishness is not a bloodline...
In the Bible, wherever the genealogy of a Jewish person is traced, be it Moses or Jesus, it is always via the father, not the mother.
Exodus 6:14-27English Standard Version (ESV) The Genealogy of Moses and Aaron
These are the heads of their fathers' houses: the sons of Reuben, the firstborn of Israel: Hanoch, Pallu, Hezron, and Carmi; these are the clans of Reuben.
The sons of Simeon: Jemuel, Jamin, Ohad, Jachin, Zohar, and Shaul, the son of a Canaanite woman; these are the clans of Simeon.
These are the names of the sons of Levi according to their generations: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari, the years of the life of Levi being 137 years.
The sons of Gershon: Libni and Shimei, by their clans.
The sons of Kohath: Amram, Izhar, Hebron, and Uzziel, the years of the life of Kohath being 133 years.
The sons of Merari: Mahli and Mushi.
These are the clans of the Levites according to their generations. Amram took as his wife Jochebed his father's sister, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, the years of the life of Amram being 137 years.
The sons of Izhar: Korah, Nepheg, and Zichri.
The sons of Uzziel: Mishael, Elzaphan, and Sithri. Aaron took as his wife Elisheba, the daughter of Amminadab and the sister of Nahshon, and she bore him Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
The sons of Korah: Assir, Elkanah, and Abiasaph; these are the clans of the Korahites. Eleazar, Aaron's son, took as his wife one of the daughters of Putiel, and she bore him Phinehas. These are the heads of the fathers' houses of the Levites by their clans.
Like I said, tribal affiliation comes through the father...
What? Not sure what the distinction you make between 'Jewishness' and 'tribal affiliation', but I admit it's pretty funny. The fact is that God chose to establish the nation of Israel thru the descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, namely the twelve sons of Jacob, not the 12 daughters of Jacob.
If you father was of the tribe of Benjamin and your mother of the tribe of Ruben, you would be of the tribe of Benjamin...
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