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Old 05-29-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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Here's the crux of it: as many as are led by the Spirit of G-d are the sons of G-d. And glory to G-d, His word always bear witness to whatever He speaks, so I don't have do the whole, "Is it me or is it Memorex?" thing.........and then decide with a unanimous vote of one, that it was it Him. Peace
What does this even mean!?, please explain how YOU are obedient to God. It's a reasonable question to ask.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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The problem, nate, is that people think worship is FOR God to please Him, praise Him, glorify Him, etc. etc. Nothing we do can do any of those things FOR God. Worship is as you say individual and it is FOR us, NOT God. The state of mind that we are in when we seek to express love for God and each other and commune with God benefits us and those around us, period.
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No, scary sad to me that someone who professes Christ doesn't think that G-d requires worship. Peace
What is scary is that any human being could think that ANYTHING they do could add glory to God who is the epitome of Glory itself That anything they do could in any way be NEEDED by God. What kind of God is NEEDY???? Everything God wants from us is FOR OUR benefit, NOT God's.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:16 PM
 
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What is scary is that any human being could think that ANYTHING they do could add glory to God who is the epitome of Glory itself That anything they do could in any way be NEEDED by God. What kind of God is NEEDY???? Everything God wants from us is FOR OUR benefit, NOT God's.

And your concept of this, only proves that you have DEPERSONALIZED Him so much, He's little more than wood and stone. Peace
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:07 PM
 
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This is a really interesting subject area. Does Unconditional Love have a personality? The obvious answer is yes, but personality is also extremely shallow as a means of relating, so there's got to be a more basic and fundamental aspect to our 'relationship' with God / Father (...I used the term Father outside in Religion and Spirituality, and Shirina got a bit hung up on it - but it's a fair point, so hence why Unconditional Love works better).

Taking the head and body analogy - Does the head and body have a reciprocal 'relationship', one with the other? I don't think a simple yes does it for me - it's more like, neither can actually be without the other, they are both required and work in harmony together.

Granted, we would be remiss if we didn't give cognizance to the flesh and mortal / carnal mind, but taking that into account and acknowledging that we are spirit, as He is, then there is an intertwining of head and body that is inseparable. The concepts of 'relationship' and 'personality' naturally creates an 'other', and that is where the problem of projection begins, just like the body parts that say 'i have no need of you', ...And there we have the root of the darkened heart of man - belief in separation.

The head and body and all parts are inseparable and one.

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Old 05-31-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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Again, not a thread on whether a God exists, plenty of those around, thanks.

THIS is the only reason an ex Christian friend is no longer a believer in God at all...
nicest man I have known for 29 years is now an atheist for decades.

I know the Bible is a bloody book.
I expect tons of Bible quotes will be quoted and quoted and placed in to be scrolled down again and again, over and over...read 'em, still see no logic...even
when blood is replaced with the representation of life.

We are a speck on a speck in a galaxy that is a speck...our hearts, souls, minds, spirits are not specks...but limitless and boundless...
and is what the Creator is interested in ...
why would an Infinite Being of Love want sweet, little lambs to be killed.*

This is a reason for so much rejection of Christianity...then, the 'baby thrown out with the bathwater effect', turns into atheism, period.

* Always wondered what is done with the dead animal? Tossed or eaten?
If eaten...where is the sacrifice, exactly...thank you.
EVERY spirit filled born again believer is an Ambassador for Christ and should be able to answer this question which has been a stumbling block for centuries.

the simple answer is sin causes only one thing DEATH, and God hates it because it hurts US.......We have now been in the age of grace and no more animal sacrifice for almost 2,000 years and the animal sacrifice was only a type and shadow of things to come.

Your friend needs to be informed of the FREE GIFT available to all by simply believing the gospel of grace which was unknown (and mostly not taught today) until it was given to Paul. Jews and Gentiles BotH are now saved by understanding we are ALL sinners and need a Savior, a Savior who was sent to a cross as a substitute for us, was dead and buried, and rose to new life on the third day according to Scripture (1Corinthians 15:1-4) This belief is total and not just lip service.......but an eternal resolve to trust this word of God and let the Holy Spirit mold and change our hearts and attitude from WiTHIN as we glorify Jesus for what HE DID........a free gift from Jesus negates any boasting on our part and glorifies the one who truly deserves it.

ALL Christians should be shouting this from the rooftops today.......it truly is the good news, with the caveat that nothing is to be added to or subtracted from that gospel......it stands perfect and alone......and it's what Jesus wants us to know and believe.........so believe it and live
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Old 05-31-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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EVERY spirit filled born again believer is an Ambassador for Christ and should be able to answer this question which has been a stumbling block for centuries.

the simple answer is sin causes only one thing DEATH, and God hates it because it hurts US.......We have now been in the age of grace and no more animal sacrifice for almost 2,000 years and the animal sacrifice was only a type and shadow of things to come.

Your friend needs to be informed of the FREE GIFT available to all by simply believing the gospel of grace which was unknown (and mostly not taught today) until it was given to Paul. Jews and Gentiles BotH are now saved by understanding we are ALL sinners and need a Savior, a Savior who was sent to a cross as a substitute for us, was dead and buried, and rose to new life on the third day according to Scripture (1Corinthians 15:1-4) This belief is total and not just lip service.......but an eternal resolve to trust this word of God and let the Holy Spirit mold and change our hearts and attitude from WiTHIN as we glorify Jesus for what HE DID........a free gift from Jesus negates any boasting on our part and glorifies the one who truly deserves it.

ALL Christians should be shouting this from the rooftops today.......it truly is the good news, with the caveat that nothing is to be added to or subtracted from that gospel......it stands perfect and alone......and it's what Jesus wants us to know and believe.........so believe it and live
Only one thing wrong with your prsentation. Substitutionary atonement is a barbaric concept and was never needed. What IS needed is for us to follow in the Way Jesus demonstrated perfectly, extending forgiveness to those who need it just as we do. Helping them to see the better Way.
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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Only one thing wrong with your prsentation. Substitutionary atonement is a barbaric concept and was never needed. What IS needed is for us to follow in the Way Jesus demonstrated perfectly, extending forgiveness to those who need it just as we do. Helping them to see the better Way.
Deny the Son of God?
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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Deny the Son of God?
Deny your interpretation of what He did. "Atonement" does not require appeasement by blood.
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Old 05-31-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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EVERY spirit filled born again believer
Lest a man has lived a lifestyle of dying daily as the sacrifice himself to become the sower of the barley seed, why in the world would he think to have a seed of wheat?


Galatians 4
My children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you.…


People believe in Christ and that does not equate to them having the great spirit of Shavuot which is a personal spirit that is actually formed in you as a new being and unless you walk in the feasts and study the law, you spinning your wheels.


That spirit was the appointed rain and it was also appointed to go away just as the spring rain ends EVERY Season, and just as the flood of rain/spirit is appointed for Shemini Atzeret for the second coming of Christ, we pray and hope that we even have a seed for the rain to fall on our seed to bear fruit. The promised double portion of rain will not just fall on anyone, and unlike the first rain, it will not be shared hand to hand at all.


The first spirit was shared from hand to hand but not just to anyone, and just because you say Jesus aint gonna give you the power to lay your hands on anyone to do either good or bad.






People who are claiming to be spiritually filled with the first promise of Shavuot, they are making an extremely bold claim.


Their claim is that the spirit was given to those disciples who had prepared, and even been warned to stay in preparation of the coming of the promise by counting the omer and keeping Jewish feast and tradition


Unless they continued in Judaism, in counting the omer and waiting on the promise, that spirit could not have possibly come to them, just as it is with everyone today who thinks they have their spirit. The spirit doesn't go into Islam, and Hinduism to then be kept all these years, waiting for you.


People claiming a spirit from a Jewish feast, they do, BECAUSE they keep the feast.


People who are claiming the Jewish spirit of Shavuot which is given to a person who is walking in Shavuot, they are claiming that the spirit had rested in Jewish hands and it has been passed down from hand to hand until it has now reached them.


The Holy spirit which is extremely particular to the Jewish feast of Shavuot is not going to stay in the hands of people who killed the people keeping Shavuot. You may as well try and claim that Mohammed received the holy spirit of Shavuot as he was celebrating Ramadan, and some how, from hand to hand, a Muslim touched you on accident and you received the spirit, the spirit is not here because all the hands who received were cut off by those who hated Pentecost, there was no one left to share.


The spirit of Shavuot is promised and given to only those people who have walked in a set appointed plan as they are walking in Passover as the sacrifice so long as to finally come to it's conclusion day, and Shavuot is the Atazeret of Passover just as Shemini Atzeret is the conclusion day of Sukkot.




Anyone who knows the rains and the ways of the God of Israel KNOWS the rain, it is THEIR Holy day, THEIR traditions, THEIR rituals, and THEIR promises, and it has nothing to do with people who reject the Jewish feasts, nor could it.


But all this debate is useless when a person thinks he is out there working in the great and powerful spirit of Shavuot.


If one person really believes himself to have the spirit of Shavuot which has passed, then let him take pity on the poor children dying, and if he has some other gift like tongues, then let him walk into churches that don't speak his language, and let him glorify God in the tongues of angels, because of the fact that what is coming out of his mouth is being spoken by an angel glorifying God in his own tongues, not English.


If somebody is given the gift of prophesy, then let him walk into the great and mighty church of Lakewood and confront everyone who is in the place with a curse, and let all of them fall down dead because they chose to serve the God of Mammon instead of God. Lol, You think Paul wouldn't have done this?


It was no trivial thing with the first church, and there was no doubt, those who had the Holy spirit of Shavuot had great power gifted to them and the whole world believed their eyes because of this power.


What Christian claiming to have the Holy spirit can walk right into a village or town and convert so many people?


They converted because they saw real power, not fake power, not bold claims of any sort.


It's not the fault of Christians today because they don't know the sure promises and missions of God in his 7 feasts because it has been hidden from them all these years, the truth found within the feasts as a man is appointed to walk in his own week of 7 days if he is to seek the promise.




These people were not playing around, they were serious and the things they did were serious when you are given the spirit of God and you abuse it, much less that somebody makes a claim to have the Holy spirit of Shavuot when they couldn't possibly have it.


I know it is in great INNOCENCE that people claim a Jewish spirit obtained from a Jewish feast promised by a Jew in Judaism, it is what all the great bible scholars profess, but let each and every one of them be offended because I tell you that they do not know what they are talking about because they cannot see the appointed walk that we are ordained to follow in order to receive.


The days have been greatly shortened and so it is way easier than it was in the beginning, but having said that, a person is appointed a planned walk that can only be executed after one has accepted the Jewish feast days wher he begins walking in Pesach as a sower in order to become the wheat, and this is to actually be born again where an actual creature shows up inside your being. You have to give him the milk of the word in great study which takes many years, and through all those years, Christ hasn't even been formed inside you yet.


But as you continue walking in your first season of sacrifice and love, you are studying every single day, night and day and this is why Paul was so perplexed, so angry that he had been spinning his wheels.


Paul was teaching them the law and the prophets, and for them to learn all the stories because if they didn't know the law like the back of their hand, and if they didn't know the stories like the back of their hand, the spirit can say nothing whether good or bad because it hasn't come, but when it comes teaching all things, it comes to bring the law and the prophets to your memory, and unless you know the law and the stories, the spirit cannot lead you to great mysteries and concepts, and this is very sad, because you have to begin putting your foot on the first step, the first level.


The Glory of the New Covenant
…17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory,which comes from the Lord,who is the Spirit.


WE


WE IS EPHRAIM AND JUDAH.


2 Corinthians From Glory To Glory, from one level to the next
18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


A walk begins in Reuben Simeon and Levi.


Genesis 49 is a step ladder from failure to success beginning with 3 names in the South, then a person moves to the east, and then to the north, and then to the west




Christ is not formed in a person until he knows and understands the law and the prophets, and when Christ is finally formed inside him, we already have instruction EVERYWHERE, what we shall do then.


That new creature will be caught up to God if a person has lived years in Passover and walking as a studying servant in sacrifice and he is desperate to finally come up to Shavuot if he is to obtain any spirit at all.


But Shavuot has come and gone but let us not be disappointed because what is appointed in our lifetime is something so much greater than the spirit of Pentecost, there is a flood which is swiftly on it's way and it is double what was given in Pentecost.










This is the saddest thing I see in Christians.


It is as if, they don't want to become like angels, as if they would willingly reject the promised double portion of spirit, they will neither pray for it, or even accept the feast of Tabernacles and they are happy in thinking that they have a Holy spirit without any real power.


I am here to tell the Christian of this great promise to which if he receives, everyone will know it because even his body will glow with lightning, and there will be hail in his eyes, there is no mistaking it.


The greatest promise ever offered to mankind, and not just any mankind, not everyone was living in the days of Pentecost and it only lasted 100 years.


WE are living in the days of the great promise when people will become like gods walking the earth and the whole world will come streaming to them in order to be called by their name. Every one of them will be saying,'' Give us this oil.''


They will beg and plead for the spirit of Shemini Atzeret having no clue what they are asking.


They are coming up to a people who walked in Passover so long, and who studied night and day like it was their life, and these people finished their first season and now they only had 3 and a half years left to finish their entire cycle.


Those people had been brought into the chamber of the bride and the bridegroom to consummate a marriage where most of the brides were not able to enter in to consummate a marriage.


What they will be asking the wise virgins, is for their consummation with Jesus, and they cannot possibly authorize such a thing, because of the fact of how many years it takes to receive this oil of teaching, and receiving the oil of teaching is only the very beginning of a walk.


Those foolish virgins who are told where to buy the oil have no time to go out and buy it for any good reason because it takes too many years once you have purchased it, and when the days come that the whole world knows where to purchase the oil, they will find no oil to purchase, and even if they did, there is no time.




Receiving the oil is a science about the two sons of oil and how if God has appointed a Gentile a priest because of his actions, God automatically anoints his priest with oil. This oil is just used for teaching God's priest because if God appoints you, he will teach you, and if he didn't appoint you, he will not anoint you to be taught.


The science of the promised rains, even the former and latter rains upon the earth in Israel is a science of a farmer and a science of Ephraim and Judah.


The rain works as it does, the rain of the spring doesn't come and continue raining, and if it did continue raining, the farmer could not farm, the harvest could not be harvested, and there would never be a promise for the need or coming of another rain in the fall.


The whole world would have NO DOUBT be flooded with the knowledge of the Lord if the first rain had continued raining.


There wouldn't be any Atheist in this forum if just one single Christian still had the power of the Holy spirit of Shavuot.


This isn't an opinion, it is a fact.


If anyone in this world claims to have the power of the Holy spirit, then let him convince every Atheist in this forum because the Atheist KNOW what the bible claims a spirit filled Christian can do.

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Old 05-31-2017, 03:37 PM
 
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Only one thing wrong with your prsentation. Substitutionary atonement is a barbaric concept and was never needed. What IS needed is for us to follow in the Way Jesus demonstrated perfectly, extending forgiveness to those who need it just as we do. Helping them to see the better Way.

^^^ An ambassador of the good news that God is not now (and never was) holding the sins of the world against them (us), even though some people are adamant that God is doing just that.
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