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That's fine if you think it doesn't judge you, that you have somehow been deemed righteous ALTHOUGH you wont admit that you are a sinner according to the law.
It's fine because you are a gentile.
Lol. I've said it to you before, and I'll say it again ... as much as you want to make this about my (or your) "righteousness" or lack thereof, as I see it, it's about the God who is love. That's where it begins and ends. Anything that attempts to shift that focus is just a clanging symbol.
Cart before horse is putting the law before the principles that make them worthwhile. Law is for those who are not committed to the principles of an orderly society...to keep them in line. Those who are so committed don't need laws.
No, TORAH, is to define sin and bring death to the flesh. SPIRIT is to convict of TORAH, and bring repentance, thus bringing life. Until the law came, we knew not what sin was. You can't, try as you might, have one without the other, just like you can't have a resurrection unless you first have death. Peace
Cart before horse is putting the law before the principles that make them worthwhile. Law is for those who are not committed to the principles of an orderly society...to keep them in line. Those who are so committed don't need laws.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
No, TORAH, is to define sin and bring death to the flesh. SPIRIT is to convict of TORAH, and bring repentance, thus bringing life. Until the law came, we knew not what sin was. You can't, try as you might, have one without the other, just like you can't have a resurrection unless you first have death. Peace
This is why you are "unprincipled" and think the Law is the substance that principle should be for you. It is NOT, and you refuse to see that the parts of your "Law" which have been recognized as being defective AS form and only valid "in spirit" demonstrate the flaw OF "Law" as basis for community with God and man when it can never measure up to that commitment to such a community which Jesus taught simply because it is ONLY form and not what is in our hearts.
This is why you are "unprincipled" and think the Law is the substance that principle should be for you. It is NOT, and you refuse to see that the parts of your "Law" which have been recognized as being defective AS form and only valid "in spirit" demonstrate the flaw OF "Law" as basis for community with God and man when it can never measure up to that commitment to such a community which Jesus taught simply because it is ONLY form and not what is in our hearts.
And you haven't figured out yet that what He writes ON OUR HEARTS, IS His LAW/Torah. Which is why all the admonitions about the LAW-less one. Peace
Deny your interpretation of what He did. "Atonement" does not require appeasement by blood.
I know why you deny The Son of God.
By his Blood Christ entered the Holy of Holies.
Sin, Righteousness, and judgement
John 16King James Version (KJV)
16 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
11 Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.
13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken, are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Lol. I've said it to you before, and I'll say it again ... as much as you want to make this about my (or your) "righteousness" or lack thereof, as I see it, it's about the God who is love. That's where it begins and ends. Anything that attempts to shift that focus is just a clanging symbol.
It's true, it is about love, the covenant of Noah and how the world is under it, they love, they saved.
But these same Gentiles who see the simple truth of a broad salvation, don't let them weep and gnash their teeth when they see something more. Just because people refuse to see the race and the prize doesn't mean there isn't a race to gain a better resurrection.
Let those who know the truth pick up their cross to walk as Jesus did in the law, and let them sell all they own to give to the poor that they may achieve a better resurrection, and when the day comes for the works of all men to be tested, let those who are neither cold or hot not forget their place because lukewarm is something people choose. They are like a man sitting upon a fence who refuses to commit either way.
When the work that they had been building is burned while they watch, don't let it be said that nobody told them because the scriptures are opened for all to see.
When the girl at the door comes to escort them from the wedding feast, don't let them whine because they assumed they must do nothing.
When the flood of rain is poured out upon Gentiles and Jews who then become like angels, let those who are Luke warm stay away, and keep them from begging those who receive.
Why would they receive anything they rejected?
They wont.
Let those who say,'' Jesus, we taught your name in the streets,'' keep a snot rag in their back pocket because that's all we will see from them. Snot running out they nose wimpering and saying,'' That's not fair, I wanted everyone to be the same no matter what Jesus claimed.''
It is fair, and it is deserved when people have rejected the things of God all their lives, it's on they head.
And still there is salvation, but only as one who has gone through a fire and witnessed the burning of his own house he had been building all those years, and his charity will mean absolutely nothing, all his good works will mean nothing as he watches his house burn, the same house that he hoped to move into, a house which is immortal and full of power, what belonged to him, he shall not receive.
The Law (Torah) and the words of the Prophets hang on these two commandments:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind.
And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.
You forgot one.
There is no greater love?
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