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We all start out spiritually dead in the inherited sin of Adam......whether you think it's fair or not it's what the book says. So if we're "dead" spiritually with only our human spirit in operation how does God reach us for salvation?
I don't believe we're born spiritually dead at in the first place. It's always been my understanding that Jesus Christ's atoning sacrifice not only covered my sins but Adam's. What on earth has a newborn baby done that would qualify him for an eternity in hell?
Where does the book say that we inherited Adam's sin and are spiritually dead?...
Richard.......we start out in the garden......check Genesis 3 where the Lord told Adam if they ate of the tree they would die that DAY........Adam lived to 930 so obviously he didn't die physically that day, but spiritually.
Paul tells us more in Romans...........
Rom 5:12* Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:*
Adam was the corporate head of all of us.......what he failed at was passed to us, and realistically if any two of us were in that garden we would have failed also.
We need to keep in mind here that the "death" spiritually can be thought of as dead in the same way your car battery is said to be "dead" when it won't start the car. It can be revived with POWER from an outside source, and for us that outside power is the Holy Spirit or Jesus working in us when we believe.......
Unfortunately the Ezekiel verse that you took out of context and co-opted are speaking to the Israelites...
That's right, the verse he quoted has nothing to do with Jews, it is of Ephraim and how he called the Torah a strange thing, instituted pagan feasts, and the only place you can find a similar scripture like this about Judah, is when some of Judah also started being Pagan and so God took them into Babylon.
A New Heart and Spirit 22Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went
The house of Israel has nothing to do with Jews, not even close. The house of Israel is Ephraim who turned to the same pagan days as Christianity but a Christian will quote this and point their finger at Jews while Jews are innocent and the scripture is about Christians doing the same thing as the house of Israel.
Pretty ironic, don't ya think, I mean, how God gets us to judge ourselves.
So hopefully everybody has figured out that we truly are born dead spiritually.......but exactly HOW does God get a dead person to come to Him?
We go see Lydia in Acts 16 for the answer...............
Act 16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
So there it is when the Lord sees the inner thoughts of ours wanting a closer walk with Him the Spirit goes to draw us close to God and hear the word.
I can speak about this from my own personal experience. I was in my mid 30's and things were going quite well in my life, lots of fun and fast cars. One morning I woke up and said to myself "I'm going to find the real God" and I set out to do just that. After a roller coaster ride I couldn't believe I ended up in a dear friends office Mar 5, 1980 confessing Jesus as Lord and Savior. It only took me 25 years to find out I'm totally saved by grace and all my sins are gone completely. But had I been asked in those earlier years how did I get saved I believed that it was all ME wanting it. As wrong as you can get. That morning the decision was made to find God, WAS GOD beckoning me through the Spirit.......so subtle He is. So God OPENS OUR HEART AND WE BELIEVE AFTER HEARING THE WORD AND TRUTH of the gospel.......so when you go looking for God He finds you.........and the good news is He accepts you just the way you are right there, warts and all.
I have never looked back and now I'm looking up every day waiting for the Lord to come in the air!
I have never looked back and now I'm looking up every day waiting for the Lord to come in the air!
Keep looking because that is a sight you will never see.
Don't go out into the desert, don't go to the inner chamber, the coming of the lord is as the lightning that will come to Judah first in the east, and the brilliance of it's coming will be seen all the way to the west in Ephraim, the outer man.
Jesus comes to the inner man, and the brilliance of his coming will be seen all the way to the outer man. When Judah begins to glow in their bodies, it is the second coming.
He comes in the air because the clouds are in the air, and the clouds are his people. He will come in his people.
Keep looking because that is a sight you will never see.
Don't go out into the desert, don't go to the inner chamber, the coming of the lord is as the lightning that will come to Judah first in the east, and the brilliance of it's coming will be seen all the way to the west in Ephraim, the outer man.
Jesus comes to the inner man, and the brilliance of his coming will be seen all the way to the outer man. When Judah begins to glow in their bodies, it is the second coming.
He comes in the air because the clouds are in the air, and the clouds are his people. He will come in his people.
AMEN, yes He will. He will come the same way in which He left, in the glorified flesh of man, only this time in a many-membered body He is not ashamed to call brethren.
The good seed is planted in the world, the world is the man of dust, a cloud is WATER vapor made visible by DUST. The invisible G-d desired visibility, and He desires it again, and He has set His bow (7 spirits of G-d, the fullness) in the cloud. It's nearly time for the fall rains. Peace
AMEN, yes He will. He will come the same way in which He left, in the glorified flesh of man, only this time in a many-membered body He is not ashamed to call brethren.
The good seed is planted in the world, the world is the man of dust, a cloud is WATER vapor made visible by DUST. The invisible G-d desired visibility, and He desires it again, and He has set His bow (7 spirits of G-d, the fullness) in the cloud. It's nearly time for the fall rains. Peace
Proverbs 25:14
Like clouds and wind without rain Is a man who boasts of his gifts falsely.
Feast of Tabernacles~ Revelation
15Then another angel came out of the temple, calling in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.”…
There are so many more scriptures about this, and even the Tabernacle design shows it.
Feast of Tabernacles~ Revelation
15Then another angel came out of the temple, calling in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.”…
There are so many more scriptures about this, and even the Tabernacle design shows it.
Yep. He recently, in the last month, opened my eyes to the thick cloud and darkness after a spiritual experience with Him. He is so amazing, the written word is literally becoming alive in us. Father, we give You the praise and the glory for You are worthy. Peace
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