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Old 07-14-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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Everything Jesus said concerns 7 named days given to each would be bride. All 7 of these days point to a progressive path of a bride.


It is not about keeping the Passover, it is about living a Passover life where you walk into a wilderness with no food or water to do the impossible. You die daily so that Christ can live within you. You have to study day and night for Christ to finally be formed in you.


You die daily so long, and you study so long that Christ is finally formed in you as the regeneration of your mind is transformed through study.


Paul said that they were still HIS babies on milk until after much study, Christ could be formed in them and they would no longer be babies on milk. Paul was always angry because they didn't study enough, they didn't take it seriously enough to realize what they were doing. They had not yet studied enough to eat the meat of the feasts because the truth and spirit of all the feasts only points and shows each virgin how to raise a full grown mature son within herself, and this can only be accomplished through the study of the law and the prophets.


You are in study to become a priest, to obtain the high calling and high prize of God offered to any human who would sacrifice his own life to study.


A would be priest has no concerns of this life, neither of children and inheritance of anything in this world, he cares only for the study in becoming a priest.


He comes dying daily in Passover and through much study, Christ is finally formed in him, and he has become a new creature, and this new child of God is caught up to God after he is born again.


He dies daily and he studies as the rain of Shavuot falls on his head, and then he tries to cross over the waters to the fall high holy days, he comes up to the day no man knows at the feast of Trumpets, the last Trump.


He goes all the way to death but many will come seeking death when death will no longer be found.




This person has died daily, and so he has become the sower in the barley harvest of Passover and because he has studied and the rain has fallen on his seed, he continues in study until he becomes a born again person of God able to enter into the temple.


As a born again creature of God, he is separated in the wheat harvest that concludes the barley harvest and he is caught up to God after being separated.


And so he has become the sower in the barley, and he has been separated to God in the wheat harvest after much study, and now he has FINALLY COME UP TO HIS LAST HARVEST.


The last of 3 harvest in body, soul, and spirit, this individual is given the third seed, and although it is the smallest of all the seeds, it is for the spirit, the third harvest.


Now this person has died daily to his own desires and he has committed himself to the study of becoming a priest and through much study, Christ was formed in him, and he has been separated to God, his new born child caught up to God, and now he has become a great tree of the feast of Tabernacles which is a coronation for all the trees as the congregation will bring them into the temple resting on their shoulders as they come bringing a windstorm by the sound of the millions of limbs they carry as the congregation follows a procession of priests bringing the trees, the water, the wine as offerings to the Lord because they are sacred offerings, people who have sacrificed their own desires, their own life for study and nothing else matters, not children, not homes, not lands or wealth.


People begin in the barley as the sower and they are separated in the wheat harvest to become a priest of God as a tree amongst the cutting in the field's of the king, a tree amongst the grass will spring up, and all the creatures will come and plant nests in it's branches because they find sustenance and healing in it's shade.


3 progressive steps, a harvest in the barley, a harvest in the wheat, and a harvest of oil and of wine.


Everyone is in the barley and there are few who walk in the wheat, but do not even speak of the oil and the wine of those who walk in Sukkot, lol.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:34 PM
 
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Everything Jesus said concerns 7 named days given to each would be bride. All 7 of these days point to a progressive path of a bride.


It is not about keeping the Passover, it is about living a Passover life where you walk into a wilderness with no food or water to do the impossible. You die daily so that Christ can live within you. You have to study day and night for Christ to finally be formed in you.


You die daily so long, and you study so long that Christ is finally formed in you as the regeneration of your mind is transformed through study.


Paul said that they were still HIS babies on milk until after much study, Christ could be formed in them and they would no longer be babies on milk. Paul was always angry because they didn't study enough, they didn't take it seriously enough to realize what they were doing. They had not yet studied enough to eat the meat of the feasts because the truth and spirit of all the feasts only points and shows each virgin how to raise a full grown mature son within herself, and this can only be accomplished through the study of the law and the prophets.


You are in study to become a priest, to obtain the high calling and high prize of God offered to any human who would sacrifice his own life to study.


A would be priest has no concerns of this life, neither of children and inheritance of anything in this world, he cares only for the study in becoming a priest.


He comes dying daily in Passover and through much study, Christ is finally formed in him, and he has become a new creature, and this new child of God is caught up to God after he is born again.


He dies daily and he studies as the rain of Shavuot falls on his head, and then he tries to cross over the waters to the fall high holy days, he comes up to the day no man knows at the feast of Trumpets, the last Trump.


He goes all the way to death but many will come seeking death when death will no longer be found.




This person has died daily, and so he has become the sower in the barley harvest of Passover and because he has studied and the rain has fallen on his seed, he continues in study until he becomes a born again person of God able to enter into the temple.


As a born again creature of God, he is separated in the wheat harvest that concludes the barley harvest and he is caught up to God after being separated.


And so he has become the sower in the barley, and he has been separated to God in the wheat harvest after much study, and now he has FINALLY COME UP TO HIS LAST HARVEST.


The last of 3 harvest in body, soul, and spirit, this individual is given the third seed, and although it is the smallest of all the seeds, it is for the spirit, the third harvest.


Now this person has died daily to his own desires and he has committed himself to the study of becoming a priest and through much study, Christ was formed in him, and he has been separated to God, his new born child caught up to God, and now he has become a great tree of the feast of Tabernacles which is a coronation for all the trees as the congregation will bring them into the temple resting on their shoulders as they come bringing a windstorm by the sound of the millions of limbs they carry as the congregation follows a procession of priests bringing the trees, the water, the wine as offerings to the Lord because they are sacred offerings, people who have sacrificed their own desires, their own life for study and nothing else matters, not children, not homes, not lands or wealth.


People begin in the barley as the sower and they are separated in the wheat harvest to become a priest of God as a tree amongst the cutting in the field's of the king, a tree amongst the grass will spring up, and all the creatures will come and plant nests in it's branches because they find sustenance and healing in it's shade.


3 progressive steps, a harvest in the barley, a harvest in the wheat, and a harvest of oil and of wine.


Everyone is in the barley and there are few who walk in the wheat, but do not even speak of the oil and the wine of those who walk in Sukkot, lol.

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Old 07-15-2017, 04:48 AM
 
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Christ the Anointed one of God. Was sent for the House of Israel as the Original chosen. Then through them would go to the world Truth of a God. They rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah. So the through them was not to be. Those who did see Jesus as Sent as Messiah. Became the heirs as if the House of Israel was circumvented.

They evolved into the much splintered Christianity while the Original chosen still are in a divided Judaism today. Jew NEVER got the Memo from God to take the Truth to the world. Christians did. Evil certainly wants Truth of God in disunity.

Both still look to a Golden Age/Kingdom age to come. Most teach Israel as head of nations then. But not before things get much worse and Israel is the world's final focus and a final battle before God intervenes and ALL the Feast as foreshadows of fulfillments completed.
You're confusing the House Of Israel with the House Of Judah...How is Judaism divided?...
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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There is so much blatant error in the original post that it would require one of the longest posts on City Data Forum to correct all the errors, contextual and otherwise. There's no fear of the Lord in it.

James 3:1, "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness."
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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There is so much blatant error in the original post that it would require one of the longest posts on City Data Forum to correct all the errors, contextual and otherwise.

That's true, but it wouldn't be that way if Christians simply accepted what Jesus said about the laws of Moses.


The O.P. is trying to convince us that Jesus brought a new religion against the religion of God and that just aint true.


Jesus said that whoever keeps the laws of Moses and teaches others to keep them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, and Jesus said this because this is Judaism, it is said to all people who would convert to Judaism.


Learning and keeping the laws of Moses is to learn who Messiah is in all his Sabbaths and feasts, his feasts are appointed visitation days TO HIS BRIDE, and these days all show how a Gentile gets betrothed to a Jew and converts to the same religion as the Jew when Jesus has added the Gentile to the nation of Israel through the Gentile's conversion to Judaism.


When a Gentile converts to Judaism, he stops looking like a Gentile because all his feast days mark who he is. You see a Gentile keeping the Passover, the Pentecost, the feast of Tabernacles and one would point and say,'' Look, a Jew.''


You find a person going to make pilgrimages to Mecca and keeping Ramadan, one would say,'' Look, a Muslim.''


Gentiles are grafted through the void made in the ten tribes of Israel called Ephraim, and as Gentiles are adopted in through Ephraim, there can be no Ephraim in the end. They are adopted through Ephraim to become Israel, but Ephraim MUST become Judah, there can't be any Ephraim because there will never be two kingdoms, only one kingdom, only one religion and only one people.


Had Gentiles continued to convert to Judaism as it was in the first 100 years, there would be no such thing as a Christian Gentile, there would only be Jews.


Those first righteous Gentiles converted to Judaism and thereby taking on all the Anti-Semitism there was against the Jew. It didn't matter whether you were a Jew or a Gentile who converted to Judaism, both were seen in the same way, both were hated and persecuted for loving and keeping the commandments of God, and those gentiles who converted to Judaism are no doubt mixed in with Jews today, and nobody would know the difference.


All Gentiles had to do was to hang on a little longer as Rome was becoming Christian{Gentile converts to Judaism}


Those Gentile Roman converts began making pilgrimages to Jerusalem because now everything had changed for them. They saw Rome as the Holiest city with the greatest pagan Temples of all history, Rome was the Holy city of the world, but now the Roman citizens began converting to Judaism where they began pilgrimages to Jerusalem, and started to swamp the Jewish synagogues. This was the great problem of Rome, and it became a problem for Orthodox Jews who didn't believe in Jesus, nevertheless, Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism for over 100 years.


Rome could not let it's citizens name Jerusalem as their holy city because of the common sense that dictated how Jerusalem would soon become the capitol of the world after it's citizens would all look to Jerusalem as the mountain of God.




Constantine knew the same thing that the first king of Israel knew, He knew he would lose his kingdom very soon if he didn't do something.


Hadrian also knew this just 100 years after Jesus died, and so Hadrian began making deals with Gentile believers to come and accept the Saturnalia, and then to Christianize it.


By the time Constantine came around, they were ready to make Judaism illegal to keep, ready to outlaw God's word, God's religion and that is exactly what they did.


1 Kings 12


Jeroboam's Idolatry


25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in mount Ephraim, and dwelt therein; and went out from thence, and built Penuel.



26And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David: 27If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah. 28Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 29And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan. 30And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan. 31And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi. 32And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made. 33So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense.






God ENDED the kingdom of Ephraim called,'' Israel,'' because they rejected Jerusalem and accepted the feasts that Christians keep today, those same feasts that Christians took and Christianized from the worship system of Babylon and refined in Greece and Rome.


Then Gentiles came converting to Judaism, through the void made in Israel when God ended the kingdom of the ten tribes.


The destruction of the kingdom of Israel was a gain to the whole world as the ten tribes were seeded into EVERY NATION, and now as Gentiles they would come back converting to the ways of Jerusalem they had rejected, and so Gentiles became co-heirs with Jews right up until the day that Constantine did the exact same thing that Jeroboam had done.


Because of this, because they committed the same sins as the first ten tribes, God has now ended Christianity and Christians do not know this.


Christians continually speak of a covenant that doesn't involve them, Christians are no different than Israelis in the days of the ten tribes when they created their own worship system, became lawless, and then were making a claim to be the people of God, and it was only a claim. God came and told them,'' YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE/Gentiles, and I WILL NOT BE YOUR GOD.''


This is the same thing God has spoken to Christianity,'' You are not my people, and I will not be your God.''




Christianity can claim Rome, they can claim the Babylonian Sabbaths and Holy days, but once they have rejected Jerusalem and the covenant made with Judah, they are NO LONGER Co-Heirs, they are NO LONGER added to the nation of Israel because their entire claim rests in the fact that they married a Jew and converted to the religion of the Jew, once they commit adultery against God, and against Judah, they are no longer under the covenant made for Ephraim and Judah, they are simply not Ephraim or Judah any more.


Ephraim MUST return with respect to Torah, and they MUST convert to the religion of God or they are just gentiles in another religion with their own invented worship system that is completely opposite to the religion of the Jews.


Instead of coming back with love and respect for Torah, they come with hostility and disrespect, and this just proves they are not in a covenant, in the religion of God.


Lawlessness is just that, lawlessness, and the person who teaches lawlessness is the lawless one.


Not Israel.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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I would ask the Gentile,'' Which one of you will be willing to be hated and persecuted for God?''


If you are a Gentile Christian, then you should raise your hand and say,'' Yes, I am not willing to be hated and persecuted for God.''


Gentiles left the covenant for good reason. There had been a 7 year war raging in Jerusalem and just as any war goes, people hate whoever they are at war with.''


For a Gentiles to continue keeping the Passover of Jesus or any of the 7 feasts of Jesus, he would be putting a target on his head, and the heads of his entire family.


I think I know myself well enough to say that I would have died for Christ rather than to deny Christ as Peter had denied Christ out of fear, AND AS Christianity as a whole denied Christ out of fear of persecution, torture and death. I would like to think that I was brave enough to die for Christ rather than to deny Christ because keeping the ways of Christ made you a Jew.


The Jews didn't run, they didn't deny who and what they were, but this was too much for the Christian, the Gentile Christian wasn't used to all this hate, and for you to believe in Christ and the religion of Christ, you were hated, tortured and killed and if you had a family, you brought death to your family, and this at the hands of Christians who denied Christ.




But now after Gentiles sit safely in their houses{If they aren't in a Muslim country}, they could return to Christ without any fear of torture and death, but instead of returning, they choose to fight against Jerusalem and Judah, and it was their hand who persecuted and killed Jews for the last 2000 years. The mentality and anti-Semitism the church created 2000 years ago was used by Hitler himself when he was convincing the German people using the words of Martin Luther who only parroted what Hadrian and Constantine had said.


Christians sit back and look at the holocaust as if they have no blood on their hands and this just isn't true.


Christianity has led the way in Anti-Semitism and hate against anyone who loves and keep the commandments of God.


Then to add insult to injury, after Christianity has persecuted, tortured and killed all people who loved and kept the commandments of God, They are brazen enough to even say,'' I am the real Israel.''




After persecuting and killing the people of God for 2000 years, they claim to be the ones who are hated by the world for believing in a Gentile Jesus.


After persecuting and killing everyone who loved and kept the 7 feasts of Christ, they claim to be the ones who have taken on the punishment of the world, WHEN IN FACT, they were the ones who doled out hatred against anyone who kept the ways of a Jewish Messiah in his Passover, EVEN IN HIS PASSOVER, Christians hating and killing Christians who dared to keep the Passover of Christ.


Now they say they are the new Israel when in fact, they were never willing to suffer for Christ.


Not only were they not willing to suffer for Christ, they denied Christ and began persecuting Israel and anyone who followed the ways of Messiah, all the while claiming to be the ones hated for Christ.




Who is the new Israel again?


The ones who reject Jerusalem and hate anyone who follows the ways of Christ?
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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The basic (i.e., major) problem in this entire thread (Dare I say 99% of the Christianity Forum?) is that people are giving their opinions based on their feelings, and their thoughts based on their own understanding and the way they want things to be.

The fact is, there are more people professing to be Christians than are actually bible believing Christians. (Matthew 22:14, Matthew 7:14) No person gets to decide for themselves what a Christian is. Only God. To say otherwise is like telling a company that their company policy includes free lunches every day when it says nothing of the sort. Christianity is not subject to any person's opinions or desires. If you claim to follow God, then you run your life by what His Word says. If you don't, you're your own god, making up your own religion and calling it "Christianity." But that's idolatry, raising yourself to God's status by creating your own god, and lowering God to that of a created being. These types of "Christians" are the majority and are in great danger of hearing the most horrifying words in all of scripture unexpectedly spoken to them: Matthew 7:21-23.

God said what He meant and meant what He said. It's not open to interpretation. It's all about context, letting scripture interpret scripture.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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The spirit of Elijah goes out to Gentile, not Jews






This is God speaking of the kingdom of Ephraim known as,'' Israel/NOT JUDAH.''


1 Kings 19
"Yet I will leave 7000 in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal and every mouth that has not kissed him." {NON JEWS WHO ARE NOT PAGAN}


This is the king of Israel/NOT JUDAH, as he counts and literally shows the 7000 men reserved in Israel.


1 Kings 20
Then he mustered the young men of the rulers of the provinces, and there were 232; and after them he mustered all the people, even all the sons of Israel, 7000 men.



The Remnant of Israel


This is Paul explaining how there is a remnant of 7000 reserved in ISRAEL/ NOT JUDAH.
Romans 11
…3“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars. I am the only one left, and they are seeking my life as well”? 4And what was the divine reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.….......{WHO WONT INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN PAGAN SABBATHS AND FEASTS}




Paul is Explaining how the ten tribes were wiped out EXCEPT for 7000 reserved in Israel/NOT JUDAH, and Paul was stating the fact that he was one of these 7000 reserved in Israel/NOT JUDAH.


This remnant has NOTHING TO DO WITH JEWS.


God did not turn to Gentiles, God turned to those 7000 reserved men in Israel/NOT JUDAH.




Those 7000 men reserved in Israel became the first church fathers of Christianity, God had not reached out and turned to Gentiles, God reached out to people like Paul SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE Paul was so zealous for the Torah, and BECAUSE he was one of those 7000 men, he was more zealous for the laws of Moses than just any Jew. Paul's people had been scattered to the 4 corners of the earth and seeded into every Gentile nation and he alone with the other 6,999 men were left as a remnant and each one of the disciples were amongst this number.




Here are those SAME 7000 men who die in the great Earthquake.
The Witnesses Killed and Raised
…12And the witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them. 13And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.…{The Gentile has just become a Jew}

Revelation is written to the Gentile who comes converting to the worship system of Jesus under the promise to the ten lost tribes of Israel. Revelation is depicting a Gentile who is going all the way to death AS A GENTILE, and he has just become a Jew when that Earthquake takes place BECAUSE, there can be no Ephraim, there cannot be two kingdoms, and while a Gentile is adopted through the promise of Ephraim, he cannot remain Ephraim, there can be no Ephraim, there cannot be two sticks, there can only be one stick. The stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah MUST become ONE STICK, but when the Gentile has left the covenant, he is no longer co heirs with Jews. He is no longer under a covenant where he has converted as Ephraim and adopted into Israel, he is no longer one stick, one people with Jews, and not only did he abandon the Jew, he becomes the one persecuting the Jew. This is the wicked servant who no longer knows the comings and going of his master and so he is separated and divided from the Jew and appointed his lot amongst the sinners. Jesus had brought a covenant where two servants became one servant, but when the Gentile rejects the knowledge of the comings and goings of the Temple and his master, the servant is cut in half separating the Gentile from the Jew, and now the kingdom of heaven is as ten virgins who are the Gentile congregation of believers in Christ, the wise virgins will fix the covenant with the Jew, and the foolish virgin will refuse.


The spirit of Elijah will come to a Gentile and that Gentile will come back with love and respect to Torah, and this is what revelation is depicting as a Gentile begins walking as Elijah and then goes all the way to death, and is now raised a Jew.

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