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Old 10-25-2017, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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What did Paul say about "unclean" foods?

Romans 14;14; 14:17
He was right, but he didn't stop keeping the laws of Moses.


To say that Jesus or any of his disciples came teaching people not to keep the ways of God is just wrong, and there is plenty of evidence to this truth.


Acts 21 shows MYRIADS of Jewish believers that all became even more zealous to keep the law because of the fact that the punishment was taken away. Right there in Acts 21 is Paul defending himself against people like you Warden, and he would have been killed if people would have believed people like you.


Paul proved that he never taught people not to keep the law, and if he would have been found guilty, they would have killed him and for good reason because of the fact that he would be a false prophet.


All you are doing is trying to convict them of deserving death, you are insinuating the same lies and rumors that Got Stephen killed and all the disciples persecuted.


Are they false prophets come to teach you a new Babylonian way?


That's what people claim, but I claim that they were not false prophets, and they didn't teach anyone to come converting to the ways of Babylon and lawlessness. The way you put it, Jesus deserved to die and so did all his disciples. Liars were paid to kill Stephen and what was the lie Warden?
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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My personal favorite is, "If truth mattered to fundamentalists, there wouldn't be any."
I kind of admired the phrase, "your psychic crown of thorns".
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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Peter didn't reject any of the laws, and whether he found a hidden truth is beside the point, Peter didn't start eating unclean food, unclean food did not become clean, only the truth of what the law meant was exposed. Just like people telling rumors about Stephen and Paul saying they taught Jews not to keep the laws of Moses and Stephen was killed for this lie when it was a lie. They tried to kill Paul more than once because liars were saying that this new religion was teaching Jews to forsake the laws of Moses, and Paul had to go out of his way to prove that these were lies.


You think Peter stopped practicing Judaism and then just rejected the laws of Moses to be an example how to break the commandments of God?


You would be saying the same things said against Stephen, the same things said against Paul.

And, because the Spirit is not divided, it would be the same spirit the 1st century liars had, still alive and well today. Peace
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:37 PM
 
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I see a lot of truth.

I'm totally unsurprised you do not.

Good job your godling doesn't mind your lies.

Neither is most of the stuff he says to others, but since when did that matter? Peace
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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He was right, but he didn't stop keeping the laws of Moses.


To say that Jesus or any of his disciples came teaching people not to keep the ways of God is just wrong, and there is plenty of evidence to this truth.


Acts 21 shows MYRIADS of Jewish believers that all became even more zealous to keep the law because of the fact that the punishment was taken away. Right there in Acts 21 is Paul defending himself against people like you Warden, and he would have been killed if people would have believed people like you.


Paul proved that he never taught people not to keep the law, and if he would have been found guilty, they would have killed him and for good reason because of the fact that he would be a false prophet.


All you are doing is trying to convict them of deserving death, you are insinuating the same lies and rumors that Got Stephen killed and all the disciples persecuted.


Are they false prophets come to teach you a new Babylonian way?


That's what people claim, but I claim that they were not false prophets, and they didn't teach anyone to come converting to the ways of Babylon and lawlessness. The way you put it, Jesus deserved to die and so did all his disciples. Liars were paid to kill Stephen and what was the lie Warden?

Exactly. Same as the Pinocchio nose on their faces. Peace
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
He was right, but he didn't stop keeping the laws of Moses.


To say that Jesus or any of his disciples came teaching people not to keep the ways of God is just wrong, and there is plenty of evidence to this truth.


Acts 21 shows MYRIADS of Jewish believers that all became even more zealous to keep the law because of the fact that the punishment was taken away. Right there in Acts 21 is Paul defending himself against people like you Warden, and he would have been killed if people would have believed people like you.


Paul proved that he never taught people not to keep the law, and if he would have been found guilty, they would have killed him and for good reason because of the fact that he would be a false prophet.


All you are doing is trying to convict them of deserving death, you are insinuating the same lies and rumors that Got Stephen killed and all the disciples persecuted.


Are they false prophets come to teach you a new Babylonian way?


That's what people claim, but I claim that they were not false prophets, and they didn't teach anyone to come converting to the ways of Babylon and lawlessness. The way you put it, Jesus deserved to die and so did all his disciples. Liars were paid to kill Stephen and what was the lie Warden?
Wrong again, Hanni, like your memoir of the blessed southern culture.

Paul had to take Peter to task because Peter fell back into his Jewish ways when some men sent by James of Jerusalem showed up and scared the robes off him because he hadn't been following their OT interpretation that Jews didn't eat with Gentiles.

"For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. (Galatians 2:12-13).

And Paul DID teach that circumcision was unnecessary for Gentiles--and got the Council of Jerusalem to agree to it. The Pinocchios of the Gentiles didn't get sliced--- only those of Jewish lineage.

And Jesus did go against OT understanding of Scripture. Six times in Matthew five. And Jesus in one case and Paul in several intentionally took OT verses out of context to leave out the violent images the Jews had written into it in order to leave a new positive message for Christian believers.

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Old 10-26-2017, 11:07 PM
 
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Wrong again, Hanni, like your memoir of the blessed southern culture.

Paul had to take Peter to task because Peter fell back into his Jewish ways when some men sent by James of Jerusalem showed up and scared the robes off him because he hadn't been following their OT interpretation that Jews didn't eat with Gentiles.

"For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. (Galatians 2:12-13).
Absolutely wrong and slander of the very man that died at the hands of who?
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Absolutely wrong and slander of the very man that died at the hands of who?
So sorry you are unable to,read Scripture and understand it.
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Old 10-27-2017, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Wrong again, Hanni, like your memoir of the blessed southern culture.

Paul had to take Peter to task because Peter fell back into his Jewish ways when some men sent by James of Jerusalem showed up and scared the robes off him because he hadn't been following their OT interpretation that Jews didn't eat with Gentiles.

"For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. (Galatians 2:12-13).

And Paul DID teach that circumcision was unnecessary for Gentiles--and got the Council of Jerusalem to agree to it. The Pinocchios of the Gentiles didn't get sliced--- only those of Jewish lineage.

And Jesus did go against OT understanding of Scripture. Six times in Matthew five. And Jesus in one case and Paul in several intentionally took OT verses out of context to leave out the violent images the Jews had written into it in order to leave a new positive message for Christian believers.
LOL.


You just sit there and make things up all day?


If anything you believe was true Warden, then you would have no right at all quoting Paul, You prove Paul to be a two faced lying coward, and so what good is his word, and why would you quote it from a man who says one thing and does another to save his life?


I wouldn't follow the words of a man like that, and so why would you quote him or believe him?


You are quoting a man who claims and proves he never left Judaism, and who stood in front of thousands of People proving that he never taught people not to keep the laws of Moses, and you show the opposite, I guess he is a lying coward, you going to follow a man that would say anything to save his life?


What kind of Truth are you following?
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Old 10-27-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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LOL.


You just sit there and make things up all day?


If anything you believe was true Warden, then you would have no right at all quoting Paul, You prove Paul to be a two faced lying coward, and so what good is his word, and why would you quote it from a man who says one thing and does another to save his life?


I wouldn't follow the words of a man like that, and so why would you quote him or believe him?


You are quoting a man who claims and proves he never left Judaism, and who stood in front of thousands of People proving that he never taught people not to keep the laws of Moses, and you show the opposite, I guess he is a lying coward, you going to follow a man that would say anything to save his life?


What kind of Truth are you following?

I know, right? For all his "mistake" finding, he seems to have no problem swallowing the most glaring example of a theological error there is. Peace
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