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Please tell us Finn, what you think "they" are selling? What exactly do you mean when you say this?
I don't think anyone is selling anything on here. Did you have to buy something to find peace with God?
I think the main thing you are expressing by this statement of yours (and I may be wrong) is that you are bothered that we do not condone the teaching of eternal torment along with the teaching of the gospel and love of Christ. Isn't that really the big issue that you think must be tacked onto the gospel and that we refuse to "sell". And since we are not "selling" that dark message, you are not buying it. I think that is really what you mean. The truth is not for sale. It was given freely by God and must be received freely. Those who peddle (sell) God or the things of God are always confused.
Yes, you are wrong.
They are selling a purposely falsified version of what Jesus taught, basically saying faith is not necessary. Jesus stressed to no end that it is necessary, and the Bible repeats it some 200 times. Feel free to look up any of the universalism threads and learn their arguments have been proven false.
Jesus said of false prophets: "By their fruits you shall know them", and looking at the conduct of certain posters, it is clear their fruit is poisoned by the message they sell. This is not an isolated incident either. There have been other boards where the overwhelming anger of universalist posters forced the owners to shut down the forum.
Very true Geekgirl, in fact God sees you are more beautiful and glorious than the lilies of the field. All fundamentalist leaning religions point you to outward appearance rather than the part of us that is God. Those same religions wail and bang on in false humility about how undeserving they are that God loves them and his gracious and merciful to them, what they don't get is, there is nothing deserving or undeserving about the egotistic outward naturally minded man, God looks at the part of us that is all him(it is perfect and always has been, we just have never realized it). God loves that part of us which is fearfully and wonderfully made. When we begin to understand and believe this, it permeates our whole being and binds up the egotistic side of us and the beautiful and altogether lovely part of our being begins to dawn in our lives.
I wish Jesus had said to the Pharisees, Hey you lot , What or who you are looking at?, and then went onto explain to them who the real "I" in all of us IS. They probably would have crucified him 3 years earlier than what they did though,i suppose.
They are selling a purposely falsified version of what Jesus taught, basically saying faith is not necessary. Jesus stressed to no end that it is necessary, and the Bible repeats it some 200 times. Feel free to look up any of the universalism threads and learn their arguments have been proven false.
Jesus said of false prophets: "By their fruits you shall know them", and looking at the conduct of certain posters, it is clear their fruit is poisoned by the message they sell. This is not an isolated incident either. There have been other boards where the overwhelming anger of universalist posters forced the owners to shut down the forum.
Finn,
I have never known any Universalist Christian who taught that faith was unnecessary. One cannot embrace anything without faith. I think what you mean to say is that Universalists believe that ALL will eventually have the faith that some now have. That is not the same as teaching that people do not need faith.
I'm not being snide with you. I say this because I think you often suspect anything I post for or toward you is posted with a snide attitude. And that may be my own fault for engaging in sarcasm at times when I should not do so on this forum.
My point here is that you have, over the years, rejected Universalists outright as having any possible legitimate relationship with God. Is this correct? A simple yes or no will do. So then it is no surprise that if you think this, there is bound to be a clash of sorts with the likes of those who peddle a gospel, not of good news and great joy to all people but instead one of "be afraid", "turn or burn", etc....
With all due respect, just curious but.... are you mentally ill?
I won't hold it against you of course
You seem to have an incredibly demeaning attitude toward those who struggle with mental illness, as if it is something that should be "held against" someone. It doesn't feel very loving at all.
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You don't even seem to grasp this forum.
Lets start at the foundation needed to have a discussion in this forum, and per the forum rules, what a Christian is.
Few self-professed Christians accept the entire Bible. Most Christians reject the parts of Scripture they don’t like.
Even the evangelicals and fundamentalists, who proudly claim to accept the infallibility and inerrancy of the Bible, generally reject most of the book of James because of its strong “salvation by works” message. They would never admit that they reject any part of the Bible, but they do.
We are Christ followers, therefore we follow him via the words of the bible.
We are Christ Followers, aka Christians.
Per this forum, that is defined by knowing "The ways of him" per this forum rules.
Per this forum, we are "Christ followers" The only way to know "The ways of him" is to read the bible to find out about the ways of Jesus Christ.
There is no other way to know "the ways of him" except...the problem is...you are balking at the forum guidelines trying to get people here
not to do what is needed to know " the ways of him". That's a thin line your walking trying to prevent us from discussing "the ways of him" by dissing the only manner we can accomplish knowing the ways of him which is to go to the scriptures.
Here you go again spouting out your opinion with no scriptural support whatsoever
The sons of God are Led by the Spirit of God, what you have changed this verse to is, The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God to follow the bible. From what you have been sharing, i have no trouble saying you believe in a historic Jesus who is limited to you by what is written in ink.
The definition Jesus gave of those who follow him was this.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Addressing your opinion about finding out about the way of Jesus Christ, which again with no scriptural support, i will say this to you followed by your interpretation of it.
And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
And thine ears shall hear a bible behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
Now tell me how is the Holy Spirit going to do this for you when you have left your bible at home ?.
For the Holy Spirit will teach you AT THAT TIME what you should say LUKE 12:12. Do you honestly believe the disciples walked around with bibles under their arms. When Jesus sent out his disciples, did you notice he never said don't forget to take your bible with you ?.
Don't bother responding to this post unless you support your opinions with scripture, i am not interested in your opinions if they are not scripturally based.
I have never known any Universalist Christian who taught that faith was unnecessary. One cannot embrace anything without faith. I think what you mean to say is that Universalists believe that ALL will eventually have the faith that some now have. That is not the same as teaching that people do not need faith.
Ah, yes, the after-life conversion process. I forgot about that UR argument. LOL
As for you asking me to judge other people relationship with God...... I leave that judgment to God. Isn't it enough that univesalists run around claiming who has a relationship with God and who don't, now they are asking others to do the same. No, God will judge, not me.
With all due respect, just curious but.... are you mentally ill?
I won't hold it against you of course but need to put your memory loss and untruths in some kind of context. And lack of remorse or apologizes for these untruths.
You don't even seem to grasp this forum.
Lets start at the foundation needed to have a discussion in this forum, and per the forum rules, what a Christian is.
Christ is of the bible.
Christ is found in the scriptures, it is how we know his name
Christ is found in the scriptures, it is how we know his name and have a relationship with him
Christ aka Christianity is the religion affiliated with the Scriptures.
It is where Christ is found and known if those want to know and have a relationship with him
That is the basis for this forum
The people who follow Christianity are known as Christians first identified in the New Testament Scriptures
All of us here, and the entire world, know the name of Christ thru the scriptures.
All of us here, and the entire world, can know more than his name thru the scriptures, even have a relationship with him through the scriptures.
I started talking to you first. Not the reverse which you have stated
Again no scriptural support whatsoever.
Christ is of God 1 Cor 3:23
The scriptures testify of the Christ of God John 5:9... They admonish us to look to him not the bible.....Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.
I think it about time someone did a translation of the biblw where it replaces the name of Jesus Christ with the word bible, it would sell like hot cakes.
Ah, yes, the after-life conversion process. I forgot about that UR argument. LOL
As for you asking me to judge other people relationship with God...... I leave that judgment to God. Isn't it enough that univesalists run around claiming who has a relationship with God and who don't, now they are asking others to do the same. No, God will judge, not me.
No you don't, you judged geekgirl yesterday, saying God can forgive her being transgender. Who are you to say such a thing?. You have been all over threads about not judging , defending your right to judge sin in another.
Few self-professed Christians accept the entire Bible. Most Christians reject the parts of Scripture they don’t like.
Even the evangelicals and fundamentalists, who proudly claim to accept the infallibility and inerrancy of the Bible, generally reject most of the book of James because of its strong “salvation by works” message. They would never admit that they reject any part of the Bible, but they do.
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but need to put your memory loss and untruths in some kind of context. And lack of remorse or apologizes for these untruths. 
