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Hostage, no. But he did create us, he told us what he expects of us, we've sinned against him, and he will punish sinners. And as the Creator who defined the rules, he is entirely justified in doing so.
The beautiful, good thing about all of it is that he died to pay the price to redeem us. The only thing he requires is a contrite heart that will trust in him.
There is nothing beautiful about anyone who punishes you for messing up, even the world would at least give you a second chance and in many cases a few more than a second chance. I think the world sounds more holy and righteous than the god you portray. That god sounds like the one the scripture speaks of
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God God is loving and merciful, yeaaaahhh but he's also wrath, and holy and just and righteous. Get behind me satan.
Actually, it didn't. What you posted was a link to the definition of one of the conflicting terms used in describing the effect of the Atonement. The problem with the various descriptions of that effect is that men have confused them with descriptions of the process of the Atonement and come up with conflicting theories of the process (anyone can find them by Googling "The Atonement"). The REAL problem is that the currently most popular theory of the process also conflicts with the nature of God as taught by Christ as well as common sense analysis of justice.
You just can't get away from the fact that you're telling people that when Paul said God isn't holding the sin of the world against them, he was mistaken.
Universalism only contradicts the interpretation of those passages that claims the consequences of sin are without remedy past this life. This is just a scare tactic by controllers who preach only avoidance of their perception of "sin" and fail to show the advantage of living in love.
You just can't get away from the fact that you're telling people that when Paul said God isn't holding the sin of the world against them, he was mistaken.
You need to realize who he was referring to: anyone is in Christ aka believers.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation
They said "holy, holy, holy", not "love, love, love".
God is holy, which means morally pure, and will never consider immorality an acceptable thing. We can strive to be as 'holy' as possible but obviously we will never be the same.
And they were calling to one another: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."
Holy doesn't mean "morally pure". It means set aside, different from everything else (when applied to God.
When applied to everything else, it means set aside for God). There was no word to indicate "extra-special holy", so they repeat the word for emphasis.
You need to realize who he was referring to: anyone is in Christ aka believers.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation
No, you need to realize that the passage simply says that God is not holding the sin of THE WORLD against them. And then of course the bible also says that God is love, and that love keeps no record of wrongs.
You just can't get away from the fact that you're telling people that when Paul said God isn't holding the sin of the world against them, he was mistaken.
No. I said this earlier...
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
God made redemption available to all, through Christ. Will you accept? That is the message of the whole of scripture.
You, however, are putting your fingers in your ears and saying “lalalalalala” to the whole of scripture.
You need to realize who he was referring to: anyone is in Christ aka believers.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation
No, you need to realize that the passage simply says that God is not holding the sin of THE WORLD against them. And then of course the bible also says that God is love, and that love keeps no record of wrongs.
As Finn and I both pointed out, Universalism is refuted in the very same chapter you quoted from. Bottom line, Universalm is in opposition to the whole of Scripture.
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