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Old 05-20-2018, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The chasm that separates the ungodly from the godly (in the next life) cannot be crossed.
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Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Depends who you ask Lord.
It's a parable which he has taken literally and applied it to an after life of fear and torment.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:02 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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You are indeed. And a prototypical version, I must say.

Thank you for such a fine complement.
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:53 AM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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How to beat a fundy at their own game 101, takes their bible and slap him back with it

Which one of these is not true?.


One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

If i make my bed in hell, you are there


When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze


Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me



This is the 1 scripture you quoted and don't understand what it is saying.

And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:

And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.


What God is saying here is there needs to come a time when you need to rely on something other than your training wheels, he's not saying he is not in the things he created, how foolish of you to believe in a creator and say such a thing. Bring God close to yourself so much you can feel and hear the still small voice.
"What God is saying here is there needs to come a time when you need to rely on something other than your training wheels, he's not saying he is not in the things he created, how foolish of you to believe in a creator and say such a thing. Bring God close to yourself so much you can feel and hear the still small voice."
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:27 AM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46

"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."

"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction." Romans 9:22

Fitted=katartivzw


Katartivzw=

To render or to fit.

To make sound or complete.

To mend what has been broken or rent.

To repair what has been broken or rent.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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My friend Jimmiej...never ever use the word "cannot" in reference to our glorious Father, never!
He didn't say God. The parable is about people. People cannot cross it.

God can do anything. He could make us immortal, but chooses not to. As a result we will one day die, possibly a very painful death.
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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God can do anything. He could make us immortal, but chooses not to.
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

“And this brings us face to face with a blunder of our traditional creed, which is radical. It talks of God's love as though that stood merely on a par with His justice though it were something belonging to Him which He puts on or off. It is hardly possible to open a religious book in which this fatal error is not found; fatal, because it virtually strikes out of the Gospel its fundamental truth, that GOD IS LOVE. The terms are equivalent. They can be interchanged. God is not anger though He can be angry, God is not vengeance though He does avenge. These are attributes, love is essence. Therefore, God is unchangeably love. Therefore, in judgment He is love, in wrath He is love, in vengeance He is love-" love first, and last, and midst, and without end.” -Christ Triumphant-
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Cool verse. I stand by what I said.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

“And this brings us face to face with a blunder of our traditional creed, which is radical. It talks of God's love as though that stood merely on a par with His justice though it were something belonging to Him which He puts on or off. It is hardly possible to open a religious book in which this fatal error is not found; fatal, because it virtually strikes out of the Gospel its fundamental truth, that GOD IS LOVE. The terms are equivalent. They can be interchanged. God is not anger though He can be angry, God is not vengeance though He does avenge. These are attributes, love is essence. Therefore, God is unchangeably love. Therefore, in judgment He is love, in wrath He is love, in vengeance He is love-" love first, and last, and midst, and without end.” -Christ Triumphant-
Been said before, perhaps not as well. The problem is with the common perception that revenge is justice... it isn't.
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Old 05-21-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The parable is about people. People cannot cross it.
Who are the people in this parable that have been unable to cross-over?
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Old 05-21-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New England
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He didn't say God. The parable is about people. People cannot cross it.

God can do anything. He could make us immortal, but chooses not to. As a result we will one day die, possibly a very painful death.
So much for the fundy belief of Jesus bridging the gap. What's that ? the bridge is dismantled after the last person ever to believe, believes .... It is not the preaching of cross that is foolish it is what evangelicals have done with it which is.
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