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then explain why you are not answering my questions?
it is wise to keep yourself confused and not have to answer other peoples questions,( as if you are now not responsible for the answers). that constant questioning .. not caring or really seeking if they/ you or anyone obtain the answers to God's truth .. it is the varied art of softistry that collapsed the entire Greek world. and you are quite proficient at keeping everything confused until everything is meaningless. I will let you play that game by yourself.
answer my question .
ps rose got it right..
Rose gets quite a bit right, but to what specifically are you referring?
You and I were having what I thought was a good discussion about gratitude. But it appears something about that discussion upset you. I’m not following your train of thought in this post or in the last one which I questioned you about, however, so unless you are willing to explain I’ll leave it be.
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There's no punishment being doled out when we aren't thankful, other than that we make ourselves miserable or, at the very least, less joyful.
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Not every man's quality, but the quality of works of those who build on foundation of Christ (aka believers).
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Ok but there is NO blessings, some we might count now as given say like rain.. Like when Egypt is mentioned during the millennium and it don't come up for the feasts , and they don't get rain, then they won't get crops and they won't get food.. .. is that kind of thing punishments? or just not being blessed like everyone else is being blessed?
so call it what you may with word games , it is real.
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The question was, "How can fire save you?"
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aren't you the one saying fire and hell and such is the love of God? and it saves people .. so explain it to us again? how if all their works go up in smoke that it means someone is saved?
the fire does not save anyone.. it test them to see what they were made of .
11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid,which is Jesus Christ. 12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work.…
14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved ( because he was using the foundations built by christ ), but only as one being snatched from the fire. 16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?…
explain how there is no punishments (aka Egypt in the millinium and all other disobedient nations he is ruling with a rod of iron?) and also you say there is no fire that can save? yet your hell is the Love of God, and he is that fire that is burning up his kids works that were not of him and were not found perfect ?
that is why the next sentence is foundational to our Works and our rewards.. .. the works of his spirit our perfect and only his love is perfect . not our sorted love/ careish with his re- branded labels on them. that stuff is probably not worthy of fire that burn them up . ..
I suggest you take this to the Lord.. He can fix what got broken.
the fire does not save anyone.. it test them.
11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work.…
14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved ( because he was using the foundations built by christ ), but only as one being snatched from the fire. 16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?…
explain how there is no punishments ( Egypt in the millinium) and also you say there is no fire that can save? yet your hell is the Love of God?
I suggest you take this to the Lord.. He can fix what got broken.
Wow, that's a lot of different threads and there seems to be some confusion as to who said what and why. I don't think I can straighten that all out.
1. I do believe the fire that is the love of God saves. If works we do that aren't harmonious with love are "burned up", that's a GOOD thing, don't you think?
2. I don't know what your reference to Egypt or the millennium is about or has to do with this. (When I was a Christian I was an amillennialist, and I'm guessing you aren't.)
“Set me as a seal upon your heart,
as a seal upon your arm; for love is strong as death, passion fierce as the grave. Its flashes are flashes of fire, a raging flame. Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it.
If one offered for love all the wealth of one's house,
it would be utterly scorned.” SoS 8:6-7
It is a love song that can only be sung by the righteous.
Revelation
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star.
A king of Judah is singing a song to a Gentile of Samaria, and this relates to a covenant between the sun, moon and stars and Earth.
A person chooses to be a submissive female to the will of her husband and this happens within one body where you bring your flesh under submission. The righteous sing this song about themselves.
You become a bride of Christ and by some miracle, you have become pregnant with a seed of Christ who is slowly formed in you for you to bear a fully grown son, ''A MORNING STAR.''
The Sun goes down and the moon comes up, but both are looking to the marriage displayed once a month where she will be hidden in his pavilion and the two will have a ceremony in the sky. The sun dips down in the sea just as the moon does, and the robe is taken off, the feet washed.
Jesus sang this song as only the righteous can.
The Friends 8We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? 9If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.{The law is enclosed in a cedar box because of Israel's failure to be a wall when they committed adultery against God at the Mountain, but Jesus was a wall {Virgin}. And so, a palace{House}of silver was built upon him.{If you are a Whooah, then your doors are open wide, and if you are a virgin, you be a wall}
It is a song only sung by the righteous, a song sung between body, soul, and spirit and the outcome of this struggle.
The Bride 10I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour. 11Solomon had a vineyard at Baalhamon; he let out the vineyard unto keepers; every one for the fruit thereof was to bring a thousand pieces of silver.{For a battlement of Silver/a covering of spirit} 12My vineyard, which is mine, is before me: thou, O Solomon, must have a thousand, and those that keep the fruit thereof two hundred.
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And I'm sorry that you are totally ignoring the fact that the lake of fire is not mentioned in the Song of Solomon and that when the lake of fire is mentioned in the New Testament it is in association with punishment. Not with love. What you are doing is called eisegesis.
''Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsəˈdʒiːsəs/; ) is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text.''
Eisegesis is just another synonym for the word "Interpretation." The purpose of religion is to be constructive. And what can be more constructive than Love? So in order to be constructive, the Fire has to be seen as Love. Seen in that light, I take the side of Pleroo.
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