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I think the people, time, dates do have meanings but they are symbolic, allegoric and need to be viewed in context, when the people, times, dates, concepts are literalised you get this confusion of fables and genealogies
People arguing over individuals being virgins, born of virgins, being physically the descendant of David, Solomon etc
In genesis we are told the “lights” in the “sky” are for times, seasons, days, years and later we are told not to worship the “lights” in the “sky”
The whole of the scriptures are “sacred” and the terms and concepts are “spiritual” and not to be literalised
Our handling of the scriptures is the problem, not the scriptures
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way and the man of vanity his thoughts, and let him return to Jehovah, and He will have mercy on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says Jehovah.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are high from the earth, so My ways are high from your ways, and My thoughts from your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 For as the rain and the snow comes down from the heavens and do not return there, except it waters the earth and make it bring forth and bud, and give seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
Isa 55:11 so shall My Word be, which goes out of My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in what I sent it to do!
Do you believe that David committed adultery with Bathsheba the wife of Uriah the Hittite, and that the second son born of that union was Solomon?
Do you believe that Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt?
Do you believe that Solomon built his temple 480 years after the Exodus, See 1 Kings 6: 1; and that it stood for 470 years, 6 months and ten days, before it was sacked and burned by the troops of Nebuchadnezzar in 587 B.C.?
Or do you believe that these events were simply symbolic of something else?
The apostles did not teach the false doctrine of the so-called non-biblical VIRGIN conception and birth, of Jesus by his mother Mary.
In the days of the Apostle Paul, the people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.
In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, “You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit (The Lie) and a gospel completely different from the spirit (Of Truth) and the gospel you received from us.”
So, what was that other gospel that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?
That gospel was the word of the anti-christ, that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will. Even in the later days of John, the false teaching that Jesus was not of the seed of Adam from which every human being who has, or ever will walk this earth, has descended, and had not come as a human being, but as a spiritual being, was already beginning to rear its ugly head, and concerning that evolving falsehood, John had this to say.
1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit [teachings] they have come from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.”
2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.”
Where would one expect to find the teaching that Jesus was not a true human being, “Born of the seed of Adam” which has been spread ALL OVER THE WORLD.
In Alexandria, by the second century, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out. But still, there persisted the belief that their Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and excretion, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.” Satan must have had some sort of idiot trying to tempt this false Jesus of theirs, who had no need of food, into turning stones into bread.
Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the authorities of Emperor Constantine’s universal church, used as one of their authorities when trying to defend their false doctrines. eenaint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, (Non-biblical) told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother’s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it.
Clement was accepted as a saint in the universal church, which was established by King Constantine, from a rag-tag group of insult hurling religious bodies, who called themselves christians. Eventually, sick to the stomach with their constant quarreling and abuse toward each other, Constantine summoned all the leaders of those groups to the first ever "World Council of churches," where, in 325 AD, some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ had been firmly established in Jerusalem, the non-christian, and almost certainly theologically illiterate Constantine, established his universal church, which has nothing to do with the Jesus as taught by the apostles.
Down to the 17th century Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clements life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.
"ERRONEOUS--HIGHLY SUSPECT," they certainly got that right, But by the time that they kicked the old lying saint out, the false teaching of the so called virgin birth was so entrenched in the minds of the gullible, and mixed their brains up like hard concrete, one would need a sledge hammer today, to crack them open and let the light of truth shine in.
There can be no claim of a Messiah if he was not a man, what in the world would be the use?
There can be no claim of a Messiah if he was not a man, what in the world would be the use?
Of course Jesus was a human being, born from the union of Mary with her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios/Heli, the Grand Father of Jesus who is a descendant of Nathan the Levite, son of Bathsheba, who was adopted by King David of the tribe of Judah.
Of course Jesus was a human being, born from the union of Mary with her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios/Heli, the Grand Father of Jesus who is a descendant of Nathan the Levite, son of Bathsheba, who was adopted by King David of the tribe of Judah.
No dude, I mean that Jesus was a person born as I was born, a human who is subjected to all sorts of desires, a person who suffered the human condition.
What you were insinuating and presenting of Jesus in your previous post is something else.
Should I go back and quote you?
Jeus was either a man who suffered pain and desire in the human condition like all of us, or he was not.
No dude, I mean that Jesus was a person born as I was born, a human who is subjected to all sorts of desires, a person who suffered the human condition.
What you were insinuating and presenting of Jesus in your previous post is something else.
Should I go back and quote you?
Jeus was either a man who suffered pain and desire in the human condition like all of us, or he was not.
If you wish to waste your time, please do go back and quote me, who said; "Of course Jesus was a human being, born from the union of Mary with her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios/Heli, the Grand Father of Jesus who is a descendant of Nathan the Levite, son of Bathsheba, who was adopted by King David of the tribe of Judah."
Jesus was a man born of human parents the same as you and I.
Hebrew 5: 7-10; “In his life on earth, Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him.
But even though he was ‘A’ son of God, [Not God’s son or THE Son of God, but ‘A’ son of God, check it out in the appendix of Strong’s Concordance, or The King James translation, the Amplified translation, or The Revised Standard translation. All Israelites are sons of God according to God’s word, see Psalms 82: 6; ‘You are gods,’ I said; ‘all of you are sons of the Most High.’) he learned through suffering to be obedient, when he was made perfect he became the only source through whom salvation could be gained from our Lord God and saviour, who rose Jesus from death and will raise all they, who are united to him also.
After he was made perfect in his obedience to His indwelling ancestral father, Our Lord God and saviour made him high priest in the order of Melchizedek, not that Jesus took upon himself the honour of being high priest, instead, the Lord made him high priest with these words, “You are my Son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee.” Or "This day I have become your Father."See Hebrews 5: 5.
Jesus, in who were the spirits of the righteous, who, after paying the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes for which they were repentant, were separated from the unrighteous disembodied spirits had been gathered to the chosen cornerstone to the new glorious temple of God in the bosom of Abraham, over whom death had no more power.
He, who was the compilation of all those righteous over whom the second death had no power, was resurrected on the first day after the weekly Sabbath that followed the Passover, which is the festival of “First Fruits,” HE was the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind. He was the first of many brothers and sisters, who are to be conformed to the glorious IMAGE of God’s only begotten Son, who is the Spirit, that according to our concept of one direction linear time, is still currently developing within the androgynous body of mankind, and who pays the penalty for the sins of the body in which he develops.
John 1: 12/13; “But as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name [I Am Who I Am].”
And they, like our brother Jesus, who was the first born of the sons of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are born sons of God, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but by the Spirit of the Lord, which descended upon the man Jesus in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say: “You are my son, today I have begotten thee.” [My chosen Heir and Successor.]
Jesus, is the first to win the victory and to receive a share of the glorious immortal body of light, which is that of our heavenly saviour, (The Great and Glorious Simulacrum, who dies in the process of involution in order to be the savior of we in evolution.)which body of light was torn asunder and poured out as fire on the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant "Jesus" for our salvation.
In his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, He, on the road to Damascus, answered Saul's question, "Who are you Lord?" with these words, "I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute,"
And Jesus our brother, was given divine glory and now sits in the throne of our Father, and all the chosen ones who have born the IMAGE of the first Adam, shall also bear the IMAGE of the glorified Jesus, "The Second Adam," (in the eternal process of change/evolution, for mankind does not close the chapter in the book of evolution) a new creation of bodies of Glorious and blinding Light, which is the new Temple of our Lord that is to replace God’s old tabernacle =temporary tent (Mankind) as the ruler on this earth of all creation.
First, "MAN" (man (אנושׁ : 'enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of MAN (man (אנושׁ : 'enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and is now incontestably divine and sits in the heavenly throne of 'The Most High in the Creation: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father’s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.
In John 20: 17; Jesus says to Mary Magdalene; “Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to ‘THE’ Father: but go to my brothers and say to them, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God, etc.
Last edited by The Anointed; 08-01-2019 at 11:13 PM..
Of course Jesus was a human being, born from the union of Mary with her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios/Heli, the Grand Father of Jesus who is a descendant of Nathan the Levite, son of Bathsheba, who was adopted by King David of the tribe of Judah.
wasn't jesus (aka yahweh) just teleported from the "outside of time and space" place to earth through Marys virgin vagina?
Since yahweh (aka jesus) didn't have sex rape with marry, (that was h. ghost that did the rape ((aka jesus)), ((aka yahweh)) just magic rape?
No wonder you have to dump this stuff on young mind of mush.
wasn't jesus (aka yahweh) just teleported from the "outside of time and space" place to earth through Marys virgin vagina?
Since yahweh (aka jesus) didn't have sex rape with marry, (that was h. ghost that did the rape ((aka jesus)), ((aka yahweh)) just magic rape?
No wonder you have to dump this stuff on young mind of mush.
So you don't believe that Jesus was a human being, born of human parents as all human beings are, and a descendant of King David; Is that what you are saying?
Last edited by The Anointed; 08-02-2019 at 05:31 AM..
So you don't believe that Jesus was a human being, born of human parents as all human being are, Is that what you are saying?
Are you saying Mary was sexed/raped by a human and gave birth to jesus and yahweh (aka jesus) possesses jesus’s (Aka yahweh) body whenever jesus (aka god) performed miracles?
Are you saying Mary was sexed/raped by a human and gave birth to jesus and yahweh (aka jesus) possesses jesus’s (Aka yahweh) body whenever jesus (aka god) performed miracles?
Is that what you’re saying?
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
You are wrong, so go and stand in the corner like a good child while I correct you.
Nope! What I am saying is, that just as Abraham sired Isaac, the son of God's promise, by his consensual sexual union (NOT RAPE) with his half sister Sarah, so too, Mary conceived in her worm the man Jesus, by her consensual sexual union (NOT RAPE) with Joseph the son of Alexander Helios/Heli, who was her father also, but by a different mother to her half brother Joseph.
The man Jesus, was a human being, born of the flesh as you were, from the semen of your father that had been introduced into the uterus of your mother, and he 'Jesus' was the Prophet that the Lord told Moses that he would raise up from among the Israelites in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; where the Lord said; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.
Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."
Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they, like myself, believed Jesus to be a man, but the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in HIS NAME.
Although you should have known, that I believe that Jesus was a man who was born of the flesh as all men are, and chosen by the Lord to speak in HIS NAME. That is, unless you are one of those poor souls who lack the ability to comprehend that which they read.
Hi everyone! I hope this is the right forum for this question. Rabbi Michael Skobac (Jews for Judaism) says it’s impossible for Jesus to be the Messiah. He cites issues of improper tracing of tribal lineage on both sides of Jesus’ line (adoptive father, Joseph, came from the cursed line of Jeconiah; mother, Mary, cannot pass down tribal lineage due to gender). Is he right?
Things like this really scramble my faith. 🙃
The Rabbi is wrong.
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