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You're just a record that keeps on repeating, aren't you? Do you know any other tunes?
How about the one about the True God that loves his creation so much that despite their sin and hatred for him, he chose to become a man and die in their place a horrible, bloody death. That because of his great love for us, we are now saved by him, despite the fact that we were born haters of him? That because he loved us so much he regenerated our hearts and gave us love for him?
We do not disagree that this is what took place. We only disagree about WHY. You actually believe God's love is incapable of just forgiving us. You think He needed to be appeased by the horrible bloody death we inflicted on Jesus which is silly. Jesus achieved what none of us were capable of. He unambiguously demonstrated the full extent and power of God's love by enduring our ancestors' brutal savagery while still loving them - even His torturers and murderers because of their ignorance of God's love - they knew not what they were doing.
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That God is much bigger and more loving than any silly, petty being you have dreamed up that is so small he isn't holy enough to actually see sin.
Your focus on sin ignores the fact that Jesus said God is NOT counting our sins against us anymore because of what Jesus achieved as a human for the rest of us. Your particular carnal disgust or disdain for the LGBT community is what seems to drive your insistence on focusing on sin instead of spiritual love despite what Jesus achieved.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 09-13-2019 at 10:22 AM..
ahhh.... so a blood sacrifice WAS needed, according to the old Jewish traditions.
And then ritual cannibalism follows, where many Christian literally think they are eating Jesus's flesh and drinking his blood, like vampires.
If we went to some remote tribes and saw these rituals, we would view them as highly superstitious and primitive.
As well we should.
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
According to God's standard. Going back to Genesis prior to the Mosaic Law.
If you wish to have a serious discussion, don't make an ass of yourself, please. That doesn't really help endear us to you. At least TRY to represent our side accurately, if you would.
Look up transubstantiation. I am surprised you don't know about. It is what the largest Christian denomination practices, teaches, preaches and believes in. Over 1.2 BILLION of your fellow Christians.
Do you mean love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and self-control?
The Spirit of God is all of those things. He's God.
Here it is folks! It's not really a lie, it's just not the whole truth because BF has said that he believes that God has qualities that are in direct conflict with these, refusing to see that God does not have a split personality, showing one side to those approved by BF's theology and the scary side to those that don't
Here it is folks! It's not really a lie, it's just not the whole truth because BF has said that he believes that God has qualities that are in direct conflict with these, refusing to see that God does not have a split personality, showing one side to those approved by BF's theology and the scary side to those that don't
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Look up transubstantiation. I am surprised you don't know about. It is what the largest Christian denomination practices, teaches, preaches and believes in. Over 1.2 BILLION of your fellow Christians.
Why don't you know this?
I'm aware of what it is. And I don't believe it. Please realize that when you want to discuss Christianity, it doesn't mean we're discussing Catholicism and its offshoots, necessarily. Nor would a Catholic call themselves cannibals by believing in it. To use such a term is disrespectful.
You are asking if the plan of God should be changed.
You are also illustrating that you don't understand the weight and importance of the death of Jesus.
Humanly speaking, we would probably be like Peter in Matthew 16 in not wanting Jesus to die... but 2,000 years later - I understand the absolute necessity of His death. So I wouldn't change a thing knowing what I know now. The love of God and the sacrifice of Jesus is great beyond any words.
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So, you prefer to pull someone in front of you as a human shield, instead of taking the bullet yourself?
You still have yet to understand what was behind him being crucified. There is nothing equal to the love of God, nothing absolutely nothing, so please stop trying to put things on a level par with it. His love is universes away from anything you are trying to pair with it.
I'm aware of what it is. And I don't believe it. Please realize that when you want to discuss Christianity, it doesn't mean we're discussing Catholicism and its offshoots, necessarily. Nor would a Catholic call themselves cannibals by believing in it. To use such a term is disrespectful.
First of all Catholics ARE Christian, and for over 1400 years were substantially the only Christians out there. Now, I concur that most Catholics would not see it that they are practising ritualistic cannibalism, but what would you call it, when literally they believe they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus?
How is it disrespectful calling something what it really is because it causes discomfort?
You are asking if the plan of God should be changed.
You are also illustrating that you don't understand the weight and importance of the death of Jesus.
Humanly speaking, we would probably be like Peter in Matthew 16 in not wanting Jesus to die... but 2,000 years later - I understand the absolute necessity of His death. So I wouldn't change a thing knowing what I know now. The love of God and the sacrifice of Jesus is great beyond any words.
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So, you prefer to pull someone in front of you as a human shield, instead of taking the bullet yourself?
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC
Ditto the bold in your case.
D Rob, I understand what he did, as I have two bullet holes from laying my life down for that of another. What I do not agree with is your interpretation that a blood sacrifice covers your sins; a lamb to be slain. And, not everything under the law required a blood sacrifice, or an eye for an eye - a life for a life, nor that of your imputation theology and scapegoating from taking any responsibility for your own thoughts, deeds and actions. Although, I do believe that love covers a multitude of sin through that of forgiveness: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
D Rob, I understand what he did, as I have two bullet holes from laying my life down for that of another. What I do not agree with is your interpretation that a blood sacrifice covers your sins; a lamb to be slain. And, not everything under the law required a blood sacrifice, or an eye for an eye - a life for a life, nor that of your imputation theology and scapegoating from taking any responsibility for your own thoughts, deeds and actions. Although, I do believe that love covers a multitude of sin through that of forgiveness: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
I understand what you understand... that's why I said you don't get it.
It's not MY interpretation. It's what the Bible says - which I also understand that you don't believe in full.
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