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So now you're condemning entire denominations and groups of denominations. Wow.
What SPECIFICALLY has been done, and what are you complaining about? Can you document your claims?
Let's spell it out for the fundie:
They have been ostracized by their families and churches, condemned to hell, vilified, equated with bestiality, incest and pedophilia -- by people exactly like you.
That's certainly possible. And if you believe me to be wrong, I'm willing to discuss a text in detail.
But you aren't willing to actually admit that you ARE wrong on anything related to the Bible and your beliefs. Meaning the discussion would be a pointless waste of time.
They have been ostracized by their families and churches, condemned to hell, vilified, equated with bestiality, incest, and pedophilia -- by people exactly like you.
All because they believe God thinks they are abominations.
But you aren't willing to actually admit that you ARE wrong on anything related to the Bible and your beliefs. Meaning the discussion would be a pointless waste of time.
Yes. I'm like 99% of the people posting here in that regard. It would take something to convince me I'm wrong.
Yes. I'm like 99% of the people posting here in that regard. It would take something to convince me I'm wrong.
I have always been curious about what it is that so completely convinced you that the Bible is unerringly and infallibly God's word. That seems to require a huge leap of faith given what we know of the human fallibility of those who wrote, edited, and compiled it.
I have always been curious about what it is that so completely convinced you that the Bible is unerringly and infallibly God's word. That seems to require a huge leap of faith given what we know of the human fallibility of those who wrote, edited, and compiled it.
I'll let BF answer for himself but there is a belief within these groups that God has kept it pure. Since it's God's word He has ensured that it is 100% what He wants humans to know.
2 Timothy 3:16. So good luck.
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I have always been curious about what it is that so completely convinced you that the Bible is unerringly and infallibly God's word. That seems to require a huge leap of faith given what we know of the human fallibility of those who wrote, edited, and compiled it.
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I'll let BF answer for himself but there is a belief within these groups that God has kept it pure. Since it's God's word He has ensured that it is 100% what He wants humans to know.
2 Timothy 3:16. So good luck.
I get that is how they rationalize it, L8. My interest is in how they get to the point where they want to rationalize it. What IS the impetus for such an irrational presumption?
I get that is how they rationalize it, L8. My interest is in how they get to the point where they want to rationalize it. What IS the impetus for such an irrational presumption?
Speaking for myself again, because that was what I was told. They used supporting evidence that turned out to be just plain lies. I was not allowed to question, I was not allowed to see the counterpoints.
I'll let BF answer for himself but there is a belief within these groups that God has kept it pure. Since it's God's word He has ensured that it is 100% what He wants humans to know.
2 Timothy 3:16. So good luck.
The original manuscripts are Inspired -- God's message. it goes deeper than him just giving a feeling, or someone getting an idea from him.
2 Peter 1:21 "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
God actually spoke through men to write the Bible.
Although we don't believe that the individual translations are perfect, there is no dispute over 99% of the text. We have enough manuscript evidence to be confident in that.
The original manuscripts are Inspired -- God's message. it goes deeper than him just giving a feeling, or someone getting an idea from him.
2 Peter 1:21 "For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
God actually spoke through men to write the Bible.
Although we don't believe that the individual translations are perfect, there is no dispute over 99% of the text. We have enough manuscript evidence to be confident in that.
So if there has been significant tampering with the texts that might change your mind? You still have to say God was responsible for the original texts.
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All because they believe God thinks they are abominations.