Mary the wife of Cleophas. (cross, witness, married, husband)
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Well, Matthew says there were "many women there." Listing four doesn't seem excessive. Three out of four might be unusual. Mark lists two out of three names do "Mary." All Luke says is "women." Seriously, what is the purpose of your contention?
Matthew indeed does say that there were many women at the cross of Jesus, but according to Matthew, only two of those women were named MARY, and they were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, the two brothers of Jesus who were born of the same womb as he.
Matthew then goes on to reveal that they were the only two among those many women by the name Mary, who witnessed the burial, when he says in 27: 61; Mary Magdalene and the 'OTHER' MARY, were sitting there facing the tomb.
I am assuming that you are intelligent enough to understand that by saying the 'OTHER" MARY, Matthew is referring to the only 'OTHER' woman by the name MARY who was at the cross of Jesus, and that 'OTHER' woman by the name Mary, was the mother of Jesus, James, and Joseph.
Matthew reinforces the fact that he is only referring to two women by the name Mary, at the cross, burial and empty tomb of Jesus, and not three or four, by stating that at the empty were MARY Magdalene, and theOTHER' woman by the name Mary, and not the other women.
Mark doesn't even mention the fact that there were any women at the cross of Jesus, but he does reveal in 15: 47; that Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph the brother of Jesus, were watching and saw where Jesus was buried. Mark then goes on to reveal that at the empty tomb there were three women, but only two by the name Mary, and they are Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the brother of Jesus.
Luke does not name the women a the cross or burial of Jesus, but he does name the only two women by the name Mary at the empty tomb in 24: 10; and they are Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the brother of the Lord, who was sired by Alphaeus, who is also called Cleophas.
John 19: 25, reveals who those two women at the cross of Jesus named Mary were, and they were the Mother of Jesus, who had married Alphaeus/Cleophas the father of James the younger, the brother of the Lord, and her sister, Mary Magdalene.
But if you wish to believe as the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine would have you believe, and that is that their Mary was an ever virgin, and is the Queen of heaven, the wife of their god the father, and mother of their god the son, then you go for it youngen, I, myself are not so gullible, and I will continue to believe what the bible reveals.
Well, FINALLY we get to the real reason for this inanity: to "prove"that the Roman Rite concept of the eternal virginity of Mary is wrong, as if it were needed. Ya it's a distorted perception of "purity" that has no bearing on the message of Christ. Ho hum
Well, FINALLY we get to the real reason for this inanity: to "prove"that the Roman Rite concept of the eternal virginity of Mary is wrong, as if it were needed. Ya it's a distorted perception of "purity" that has no bearing on the message of Christ. Ho hum
Not so. This has everything to do with the historical life of Jesus and his family, once you accept that Mary the mother of Jesus had married a second husband, you can now ask the question, "Why did Jesus entrust his mother into the care of his nephew John, when she had a husband, four sons, plus an unknown number of Daughters to care for her.
Matthew 13:55-56 55"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren't all his sisters with us?
Did all these members of her family abandon her, or was it she, that abandoned her family? And why is it that the grave sites of Mary and John can still be visited in the town of Ephesus?
Last edited by The Anointed; 08-11-2019 at 08:52 PM..
If the married woman in question had indeed been caught in the very act of having sex with a man who was not her legitimate husband, then according to Jewish law, those self-righteous Jewish authorities, who brought those accusations against the woman in question, and who thought nothing of having the innocent Stephen stoned to death, would have been forced to stone her to death in accordance to the law of Moses, irrelevant as too what Jesus said.
But their intention was not to stone this woman, who they knew was innocent of any crime according to their law. Their intention is revealed in John 8: 6; where it is said that they brought these accusations against the woman, in order to ‘TRAP JESUS AND ACCUSE HIM.’
According to Jewish law, a woman who had been divorced could remarry another man, even though her original husband was still alive, whereas Jesus taught that if a divorced person remarried while their original partner was still alive, they were committing adultery.
Do we know of any woman recorded in the gospels, who had remarried while their original husband was still living?
Remember that the four gospels reveal that there were only two women by the name Mary at the cross, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus, and they were his mother, and her sister, who were ‘Mary the wife of Cleophas’ and Mary Magdalene.
Why did Jesus, while hanging on the cross and knowing that he could no longer care for his Mother, who had a husband, four other sons, and daughters, then entrust her into the care of his beloved disciple ‘John?’
Casting the first stone is a reference about the self-righteous, who were not without sin.
Was Joseph ben Jacob, who married the already pregnant Mary, and who was the biological father of Mary's second son 'Joseph' who was named after his father, and of who we know so little, still alive while Mary was living as the wife of Cleophas?
If the married woman in question had indeed been caught in the very act of having sex with a man who was not her legitimate husband, then according to Jewish law, those self-righteous Jewish authorities, who brought those accusations against the woman in question, and who thought nothing of having the innocent Stephen stoned to death, would have been forced to stone her to death in accordance to the law of Moses, irrelevant as too what Jesus said.
But their intention was not to stone this woman, who they knew was innocent of any crime according to their law. Their intention is revealed in John 8: 6; where it is said that they brought these accusations against the woman, in order to ‘TRAP JESUS AND ACCUSE HIM.’
According to Jewish law, a woman who had been divorced could remarry another man, even though her original husband was still alive, whereas Jesus taught that if a divorced person remarried while their original partner was still alive, they were committing adultery.
Do we know of any woman recorded in the gospels, who had remarried while their original husband was still living?
Remember that the four gospels reveal that there were only two women by the name Mary at the cross, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus, and they were his mother, and her sister, who were ‘Mary the wife of Cleophas’ and Mary Magdalene.
Why did Jesus, while hanging on the cross and knowing that he could no longer care for his Mother, who had a husband, four other sons, and daughters, then entrust her into the care of his beloved disciple ‘John?’
Perhaps someone on this forum might like to answer that question?
John 19:25 quite clearly makes a distinction between Mary the mother of Jesus, and Mary the wife of Clopas (Cleophas).
John 19:25 Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Four people are mentioned here. Mary the mother of Jesus, her unnamed sister, then Mary the wife of Clopas, and finally, Mary Magdalene.
Mary the mother of Jesus is not Mary the wife of Clopas.
That verse does say that Mary’s sister was Mary, wife of Cleophus....
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