Cashier told me today that she bows down to God and... (beliefs, pray)
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I get your point. But what makes America great is we can agree to disagree. What I'm not liking is when there's a group of people who want you (us)to think, behave, and believein a particular way eliminating any individual freedom of thinking. When you do, you are labeled a traitor unpatriotic, and enemy of the cause etc and the list goes on and on. To me that's thuggish mentality. It's no different than being in a gang.
The same holds true for religious groups or Organizations, as you are labeled an unbeliever?
I had to gently tell her that I only bow down to my God and my LORD and Savior simply because that's a form of idolatry.
It's disturbing to me that people are putting their country, political views, and even their own religion over God or at least putting them on the same level as God.
What do you think about people bowing down to the American Flag?
I'm not entirely clear what you are referring to, but in communist places like North Korea, I'm pretty sure if you don't bow when they tell you to, you can kiss your life goodbye.
Same as you sir, what it is exactly, idolotry. All Christians allegiance belongs to God. The American flag, nor the country it represents is God's Kingdom, the government in which all Christians submit to.
Now that Vatican flag--it's a different story. It does represent God's Kingdom and the government to which all Christians submit to (until that pesky rebellion called the Reformation created the degenerate secular culture of the 21st century). Haha
The correct way entering the church is to bow to the altar, but if there is a Tridentine-era tabernacle on the wall at the end of the centre aisle, then you genuflect (quick kneel) with the right knee. (Though it's traditionally proper to genuflect with the left knee to a secular ruler or relic.)
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That said, it's more than just conservatives doing it. Liberals also bow to the idea of what they want our nation to be, and push God out of it.
I have actually listened to a secular sermon before in church. (It's the Catholic Church so direct quotation/restatement from scripture is rare in these shorter 5-15 minute sermons/homilies.)
5.5 years ago I was visiting L.A. on a Sunday morning. Went to the moderne iconoclastic cathedral Downtown metonymically named after the patron saint of the city for the main Sunday late-morning mass.
The sermon was about being nice to others. Apparently this is sorely needed in this town with the Hollywood culture expecting Angelenos to be rude, fake, flakey, etc. Basically the gist of the sermon boiled down to not being a dick, despite a-holery being expected and encouraged in this town.
I was surprised that the priest would confront this issue head-on and it transformed "Love thy Neighbor" from the run-of-the mill sermon topic usually delivered in monotone from the towering ivory pulpit.
You are generalizing Christians. I am a born again Christian and I would NEVER bow down to any thing but my God and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. With that said, as a law abiding Christian, I wouldn't try to overthrow the government just because I disagree with the election. As an African-American male, I'm not going to go out and riot just because I'm upset with the judicial system. A true Christian understands that as well.
Well, if thats accurate, then God must frown upon America as a nation!
After all, how did America become a free and separate nation? A percentage of the colonists decided they were upset about how they were being governed, they attempted to do it the 'right' way at first, but eventually they resorted to violence, destruction of property, looting, etc...We celebrate this every July 4th today!!
we all have a right to select our own government individually. democracy is tyranny and the US government has no legitimate right to govern us.
Lol
Individuals do not have unlimited freedoms
If you are in a society you are subject to the rules of that particular society
If you want to be free of society go find an island somewhere and do your own thing, you will need to provide for yourself though
Everyone thinks it’s ok to reap the benefits of society, but do not understand that those “benefits” do not just drop from the “sky” by “magic“ that these things are developed, have developed, over time and have been built up
Certainly there is corruption in society generally because societies are made up of individual humans who just think of their own limited needs, within their own particular group, but society as a whole has had and does need “administrators”
USA probably will need to decide whether to be the USA or just separate states of North America
we all have a right to select our own government individually. democracy is tyranny and the US government has no legitimate right to govern us.
LOL You have the freedom to believe that fantasy, but it won't see the light of day in this country. You'll have to find some island somewhere where you can create your own world. That's a discussion for a different forum.
But in the simplest sense, a drop doesn't rule the ocean. And you're the drop in this case. Or as a friend once said: "The dog wags the tail, the tail doesn't wag the dog" (wink).
Last edited by Thoreau424; 01-22-2021 at 06:11 PM..
I am a patriot. I am loyal to my country. But I have a problem with churches that wrap themselves up in the flag and have patriotic rallies around July 4th. It's not scriptural at all, and it implies that the interests of God and the interests of the United States are one an the same. Nope.
If you are in a society you are subject to the rules of that particular society
i never said anything about having unlimited freedoms.
government exists to serve us, not the other way around. there is no need for people to be ruled by a government based on where they live. they should be able to choose whatever government they wish or do not wish. why do you have a problem with that?
some people think that they are christians and jesus is their lord. you are really a statist and the government is your lord and savior.
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