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Old 08-29-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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The Bible states that 144,000 are redeemed from the earth. Why are these taken from the earth? God in His infinite wisdom has chosen from among mankind, exemplary Christians to serve as Kings and Priests in His Kingdom. Why choose them instead of angels? They can fully relate to our needs as humans, having lived as humans on earth.
Those are Gentiles who became and are seen as high priest of Judaism.

The number looks way too high, I would think there were not even 2000 till now, and that is all of history.

Christian's dont even get adopted into Israel anymore, much less become priest.

I would guess that it is in these days that God finds another 100,000 because I dont see 40, 000 in the last 2000 years, and not even 10 in the last 1700 years.

Once Gentiles left Judaism, they lost all chance of being adopted into the tribes.

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Old 08-29-2021, 07:37 AM
 
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If the Gentile doesn't fulfill all the prophesies of Revelation, he is saved, but he certainly does not become a firstfruit priest, and if you dont become a firstfruit priest, you do not get to reign a thousand years with Christ, you dont have an immortal body," a city." YOU are not one of the 144, they ARE all priests, Christian's arent even in the same religion to become a priest, its IMPOSSIBLE OUTSIDE OF JUDAISM.

You cant become a firstfruit priest unless you spent your life learning as a priest of Judaisn would be raised.

You are stuck outside the city/temple.

Christian's all have a 666 in their forehead for Tammuz because they all keep the feasts of Tammuz, and where you find Tammuz, you find the 666. Tammuz is, and has always been messiah of Babylon, the name of.the Babylonian messiah CAN NEVER CHANGE, EVER, AND EVER, Babylonians messiah IS Tammuz, WILL ALWAYS BE TAMMUZ.

It is a simple matter of the law how people obtain a seal in their forehead and right hand, all of Gods people are sealed with the words," My people."
Everyone who keeps the pagan holy days of Babylon are sealed with the name,Tammuz.

It is a fact of the law, and it is not going to change, whatever holy days you keep from what city, they define you and seal.you with your own holy days. GOD PROMISES ALL PEOPLE," Keep my Sabbathaa, and my Unleavened bread, and it will seal you in your forehead and right hand as MINE.

God says that the ONLY WAY a Gentile can become his people IS TO TAKE HOLD OF HIS COVENANT YOURSELF, and that ONLY WAY IS when they accept his Sabbaths and love his law. Is the law ALWAYS in your mouth?

There is no other way to take hold of God's covenant, SAYS GOD.

Isaiah 56.


Only one way to take hold of God's covenant.

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Old 08-29-2021, 07:46 AM
 
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That is true, do you believe they were chosen for a different reason B?
Someone else mentioned it. It shows them being marked and commissioned as evangelists. That's it.
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Old 08-29-2021, 08:40 AM
 
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Hebrews 8:5
The place where they serve is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

Revelation 11:19

Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

Revelation 13:6
What Christians do

And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle--those who dwell in heaven

Revelation 15


And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened

Revelation 8

And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.


Revelation is showing 3 perspectives, 3 different vantage points showing things that are occurring on set holy days at the temple.


What is happening at the temple in the high holy days of the fall, it is detailing Rosh Hashanah, ten days to Yom Kippur, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Hashanah Rabbah and Shemini Atzeret.


All iof which takes.place at the temple of the Lord,
not.the church in Rome, it is speaking of Gods temple on earth, Gods Tabernacle in heaven, and from what happens to the soul during those appointed days, and Revelation is completely full of Jewish idioms, prayers and traditions only said and done on exact days, and for this fact, you can write down the date on every chapter.


Example-
Revelation


And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


What is the exact date?


When it states, " The kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord."



What is the exact date and why?


Jews have Torah Portions, prayers and exact scriptures where they are only spoken on exact days.

If you read , "the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord," Well, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DATE IS, AND WHAT IS BEING SAID, BUT ONLY IF YOU PRACTICE JUDAISM.

Revelation is filled with these exact idioms that tell you exactly what the date is in EVERY CHAPTER.


When Revelation brings out the sickle for the grape harvest, WHAT DAY IS IT?


It is the wine harvest, the first day of Sukkot on Tishri 15th.



" There was 30 min of silence in heaven."


Exactly why is there silence?


What is taking place in the temple that 30 min of silence is heard?


The answer to this very important question cannot be found in the bible as well as a slew of other questions concerning the temple.

You have to know what is said and done in the temple, and the bible doesnt give you those answers but Revelation IS FULL OF JEWISH IDIOMS, PRAYERS AND CONCEPTS THAT CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE.

That is the reason Christian's cant understand, the answers come solely from Jewish tradition and that cannot be found in the bible.


He was a Jew telling a story that only a Jew would know, he is taking the holy days, their traditions and their idioms that are completely unknown to the Gentile not in Judaism, and he is using tradition and ritual to say things he could not have said otherwise, he was a prisoner of people who read everything before it was sent. He couldnt just come out speaking a out pagan Christian's, he was a prisoner under pagan authority.



Somebody wants to understand Revelation?


Study temple design, you are the temple.
Study the comings and goings of the temple, you are the temple, they are YOUR comings and goings informing YOU of your own visitation days.

God has given you his schedule so that you know exactly what days he is near, that you can actually speak to him, and ask him things.


Today is one of those days when God says, " Ask of me when it is appointed for you to ask, WHEN I AM IIN THE FIELD."

Right now is that time, the king is in the field.


"Seek the LORD while He may be found; call on Him while He is near."


That time is now just before the judgment of Rosh Hashanah, the very day all people are marked on their forehead EVERY ROSH HASHANAH.

Seek the Lord now, you have but a few days left.

The king is in the field right now, he is closer to you bow that at any other time, he is in the field.

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Old 08-29-2021, 11:11 AM
 
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The kingdom of heaven is at hand!

“Let the man who has my word speak my word and speak the truth.â€

“I the LORD speak the truth I say what is right.â€

“Do what is right and just.â€

“Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.â€
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Old 08-29-2021, 07:25 PM
 
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The kingdom of heaven is at hand!

“Let the man who has my word speak my word and speak the truth.â€

“I the LORD speak the truth I say what is right.â€

“Do what is right and just.â€

“Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.â€
What does the kingdom of heaven mean? Surely, it cannot mean repeating or mouthing words for all eternity?
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Old 08-29-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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What does the kingdom of heaven mean? Surely, it cannot mean repeating or mouthing words for all eternity?
I fear there is no reaching a mind that can even think that for a second, Jer. He is immune to adult reason and rationality. He may be very young.
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Old 08-30-2021, 05:20 AM
 
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The answer why those 144,000 are taken from the earth is given in Revelation 7 and 14.

Actually Rev 5:9,10 provides the why sir. I did not see the why in 7 and 14, what are you seeing that I am overlooking Eli?
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Old 08-30-2021, 05:21 AM
 
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Who goes to heaven?

All dogs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUvk7NNmB64

I saw that movie, don't remember it much, probably should watch it again, thanks for the memory
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Old 08-30-2021, 05:28 AM
 
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Those are Gentiles who became and are seen as high priest of Judaism.

The number looks way too high, I would think there were not even 2000 till now, and that is all of history.

Christian's dont even get adopted into Israel anymore, much less become priest.

I would guess that it is in these days that God finds another 100,000 because I dont see 40, 000 in the last 2000 years, and not even 10 in the last 1700 years.

Once Gentiles left Judaism, they lost all chance of being adopted into the tribes.

The selection started with the outpouring of holy spirit on Pentecost of 33 CE Hans, and Acts 2:41 shows on that day about 3000 were added. They have over the centuries continued to be gathered.


They are selected from all nations, tribes, and tongues sir Rev 5:9
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