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That's your assumption. There was a church, but it wasn't called the Roman Catholic church.
It was called "Catholic". As for the "Roman" part, we only use that descriptor to distinguish it (the Latin/Roman rite or church) from the Catholic churches that are not Roman. It's mostly non-Catholics who insist on using the name "ROMAN Catholic Church".
It was called "Catholic". As for the "Roman" part, we only use that descriptor to distinguish it (the Latin/Roman rite or church) from the Catholic churches that are not Roman. It's mostly non-Catholics who insist on using the name "ROMAN Catholic Church".
It was called "catholic". The "C" makes all the difference.
Regardless of whether Sola scriptura is biblical or not, it obviously doesn't work. There are Protestants that believe in salvation by grace, and others in salvation by works. Some believe in speaking in tongues , others don't . Some believe in baptism by immersion, some by sprinkling, some don't accept it at all. Some think it is necessary for salvation, others that it is just a symbol. Most believe Christ is divine but some don't. Some believe in the Trinity while others don't.
And they ALL will tell you they believe what they believe because "the Bible says so".
Its almost as if there was not any intention that Scripture would be the only means of authority and teaching .
True, but it only became necessary to capitalize the 'C' when other sects claimed the title for themselves.
I disagree. There were always those who claimed to be part of the church that wasn't of Rome. It was your church that declared they were the true one and anyone not part of them is wrong.
Not uncommon, really. Humans tend to do that. They start a new church, and tell everyone that isn't part of it that they're not in God's church. We've got several folks on this forum that do that.
Regardless of whether Sola scriptura is biblical or not, it obviously doesn't work. There are Protestants that believe in salvation by grace, and others in salvation by works. Some believe in speaking in tongues , others don't . Some believe in baptism by immersion, some by sprinkling, some don't accept it at all. Some think it is necessary for salvation, others that it is just a symbol. Most believe Christ is divine but some don't. Some believe in the Trinity while others don't.
And they ALL will tell you they believe what they believe because "the Bible says so".
Its almost as if there was not any intention that Scripture would be the only means of authority and teaching .
And then we have the likes of you that ignores what everyone else thinks and you declare infallibly what you believe a Christian is, and it has nothing to do with any of that.
For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:
Galatians 2:8
Peter’s remains were discovered in Jerusalem in 1953, the ossuary inscription was translated from Aramaic at the Hebrew Union college in Cincinnati, it said Simon bar Jonah on it.
And then we have the likes of you that ignores what everyone else thinks and you declare infallibly what you believe a Christian is, and it has nothing to do with any of that.
I'm not sure what you are referring to here, you would have to give me some instances, although not here to derail the thread. Nevertheless my posts here in this thread have just been factual ones, the fact that the Traditions churches are not very fractured, while the sola scriptura ones number in the multiple tens of thousands , each thinking the other 34,999 churches have it wrong and they are the ones who have interpreted Scripture properly. Given the thousands of differing and opposing views among Protestants, its hard to imagine that was Gods plan.
I don't believe I have ever tried to define who or what is and is not a Christian .
I disagree. There were always those who claimed to be part of the church that wasn't of Rome. It was your church that declared they were the true one and anyone not part of them is wrong.
Not uncommon, really. Humans tend to do that. They start a new church, and tell everyone that isn't part of it that they're not in God's church. We've got several folks on this forum that do that.
In the beginning there was just the Christian church, with a number of different local churches but all in communion. Then about 500AD a couple of the Arab ones left because of theological differences and became the Oriental Orthodox Church, which still exists today. Then around 1100 AD differences between the church in Rome and the other churches in the east caused a split, and the church in Rome became the RCC , while the eastern churches stayed together and became the Eastern Orthodox Church, following the same pattern as the first church of differing national churches in communion with each other. Rome chose to become a single worldwide body instead. So now the EO have churches like the Greek, Russian, Romanian, and so on, all of them comprising the EO Church.
There has been a little talk in the past of the Anglican Church merging into the EO , but I don't know if that is still going on or has been abandoned.
The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiency of Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture.
If you believe this to be true, where in the Bible do you find it taught? Personally, I don't believe it's there. Yes, the Bible does say, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." but that's not saying that the Bible is a complete record of God's dealings with mankind. That's kind of like saying that "all grapes are fruit" is comparable to saying, "Grapes are the only fruit."
The phrase “Sola Scriptura” is not found anywhere in God’s word, but here are some things that are God breathed.
Peter wrote, "…His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness,…” (2 Peter 1:3).
Since God has provided "all things that pertain to life and godliness," then there is nothing beyond what is found within Scripture that we need for spiritual life and godliness.
Since the Scriptures will thoroughly furnish the man of God unto all good works and bring him unto perfection (2 Timothy 3:17), then what more is needed?
Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day" (John 12:48). According to Jesus all men will stand before God and be judged according to God's eternal word — the Bible. We will be judged by nothing but.
Furthermore, since Jesus promised the apostles that the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth would teach them all things, bring all things to their remembrance, and guide them into all truth (John 14:26; 16:13), then the apostles had all truth, and they revealed all truth to us.
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