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I understand your reasoning. You are a Bible literalist. The writers of the New Testament had no idea what mental illness was and assumed the mentally ill were possessed. They could only write what they witnessed, based on their own knowledge. We can hardly have expected them to do otherwise.
The problem with that argument Katz is that Jesus is recorded as having actual conversations with those demons, and they (the demons) knew who Jesus really was.
We are living in the thousand year reign of Christ now. Jesus is King. His kingdom is here.
Do you actually believe we are in the beautiful perfect peace of the millenium? Is Jesus ruling from Jerusalem? You need your glasses checked................
The problem with that argument Katz is that Jesus is recorded as having actual conversations with those demons, and they (the demons) knew who Jesus really was.
Actually, he was talking directly to the person or people he came in contact with, not some demon.
Actually, he was talking directly to the person or people he came in contact with, not some demon.
They just were not in their right mind!
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
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You can believe, whatever you believe. Just don't tell me, that it's something I must believe.
However, what about the bleeding (medical) issue that a woman had for eighteen years, or those with other medical (physical and mental) illnesses? Do you consider those things as a derivative of demon activity or possession? How do you believe - they would have reacted to a child with epilepsy or one who is in the autism spectrum? Or, those who are bi-polar and schizophrenic? What about someone with inflammation of the brain?
Then, we also have the issue of infectious diseases, which can be acquired by eating roundworm larvae in raw or under-cooked meat, such as pork. It may even make a person act like a lunatic. Just some things to think about before one makes a claim that these were/are a product of demonic or demon activities. Or, that he wasn't speaking to the person themselves, who were not right in their own minds.
You can believe, whatever you believe. Just don't tell me, that it's something I must believe.
However, what about the bleeding (medical) issue that a woman had for eighteen years, or those with other medical (physical and mental) illnesses? Do you consider those things as a derivative of demon activity or possession? How do you believe - they would have reacted to a child with epilepsy or one who is in the autism spectrum? Or, those who are bi-polar and schizophrenic? What about someone with inflammation of the brain?
Then, we also have the issue of infectious diseases, which can be acquired by eating roundworm larvae in raw or under-cooked meat, such as pork. It may even make a person act like a lunatic. Just some things to think about before one makes a claim that these were/are a product of demonic or demon activities. Or, that he wasn't speaking to the person themselves, who were not right in their own minds.
I don't know what your problem is, and I don't need your permission to believe anything. The gospels record Jesus having a conversation with demons, demons who knew who Jesus really was.
You can believe, whatever you believe. Just don't tell me, that it's something I must believe.
However, what about the bleeding (medical) issue that a woman had for eighteen years, or those with other medical (physical and mental) illnesses? Do you consider those things as a derivative of demon activity or possession? How do you believe - they would have reacted to a child with epilepsy or one who is in the autism spectrum? Or, those who are bi-polar and schizophrenic? What about someone with inflammation of the brain?
Then, we also have the issue of infectious diseases, which can be acquired by eating roundworm larvae in raw or under-cooked meat, such as pork. It may even make a person act like a lunatic. Just some things to think about before one makes a claim that these were/are a product of demonic or demon activities. Or, that he wasn't speaking to the person themselves, who were not right in their own minds.
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I don't know what your problem is, and I don't need your permission to believe anything. The gospels record Jesus having a conversation with demons, demons who knew who Jesus really was.
I don't have a problem, per se, but I do disagree with the notion of demons, the devil and Satan.
I don't have a problem, per se, but I do disagree with the notion of demons, the devil and Satan.
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Yes you do. Otherwise you wouldn't react in denial the way you do every time the subject comes up. But that's your problem.
If, you want to believe in those things, that's up to you.
Although, I believe it is you that is in denial?
We have come a long way, but evidently not far enough.
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