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This has needed to be seriously addressed for some time now on this board, and God revealed to me the scriptures to do just that.
I can feel God's utter disgust at the flagrant misrepresentation of His Word by way of this teaching. Preterism is the spiritualization of scriptures that then become anything that preterists want it to mean. This is essentially playing God.
The force-feeding and sheer argumentative nature of preterism alone makes it pretty obvious that it's incorrect. But here are some facts and scriptures that PROVE it's wrong.
Preterism insists that all Biblical prophecy, even Revelation, was fulfilled in 70 AD and that none of it is relevant for today's use. That is a fallacy created and perpetuated in the middle ages, to take away the focus from the terrible things that they were guilty of in that time period, and they KNEW they were guilty of, and did not want to be held accountable for. What better way to do that than to say that the Bible didn't apply to them? It's manipulating God's Word to suit one's own purposes at it's very worst.
Also, it has been proven and confirmed by the early church fathers that the book of Revelation was written AFTER 70 AD, in 95 AD!! If Revelation was meant for the 70 AD generation, then why was it written after it supposedly had already taken place? Exactly.
The following scripture PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that the preterist belief is completely wrong and needs to go back where it came from; the middle ages.
2 Thessalonians, Chapter 2...THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come."
"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day WILL NOT come, UNTIL the rebellion occurs and THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED, the man doomed to destruction."
Alright. Let me just pause here for a minute. Do you see and understand what is being said here, plain as day? "Jesus WILL NOT return (2nd coming) UNTIL "The Man of Lawlessness"......who is the "AntiChrist"......IS REVEALED!!!! Not only does this scripture PROVE that Jesus has not come because we KNOW that the AntiChrist has not been revealed, it also proves that the AntiChrist is a "MAN"!!! Singularly a man, one person. Yes, there is the "spirit" of the AntiChrist that is among us right now. But this scripture is proof positive that Jesus has not returned and that the AntiChrist is a man that is still to come.
NONE OF IT HAS HAPPENED. The above IS THE PROOF.
Continuing on with Chapter 2:
"He (the AntiChrist) will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God."
When exactly did the above happen? It hasn't!!
"Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. FOR THE SECRET POWER OF LAWLESSNESS IS ALREADY AT WORK; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."
"And then the lawless ONE will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy BY THE SPLENDOR OF HIS (Jesus) COMING!!!!!!
Once again, the scripture states PLAINLY that the AntiChrist is ONE, one MAN, that will be destroyed WHEN JESUS RETURNS!!
I won't quote the rest of Chapter 2, but I would suggest to read it. Those who are left behind after the Rapture and still refuse to believe and live for God will receive a powerful "delusion" that will blind them into believing the lies of the AntiChrist.
Teachings such as preterism are not just a matter of different interpretation. It's way more serious than that, and it is the "spirit" of the AntiChrist at work that tricks and fools people into believing such blasphemous things.
Not only is it dangerous because it's completely false, it's dangerous because it completely denies that Jesus is the Savior who died for us on the Cross for our wretched selves and sins, but it calls Jesus a liar because it voids, nullifies and robs the Church of the blessed Hope that He most assuredly promised to us.
This is serious stuff, people. Please, please, please repent NOW and be ready to meet the Lord at anytime. Don't believe the lies and deceit of false teachings and "new age" deception.
There is great HOPE in the Word of God which is the Bible, and that's exactly how it should be taught and understood.
You lost me at “and God revealed to me…”
The only revealing God does with any of us is through His word. Period.
I know little to nothing about man made labels, nor do I have any interest in learning about them. In my experience, they are used to put down those who disagree with your view. It’s best to stick to the word, and debate your view from what God’ has to say.
The only revealing God does with any of us is through His word. Period.
This is an old thread …. You are very unlikely to get a reply to any old posts
It can be helpful to browse through old threads for research and comparison and for getting different perspectives- part of the testing all things, holding onto the good
The only revealing God does with any of us is through His word. Period.
I know little to nothing about man made labels, nor do I have any interest in learning about them. In my experience, they are used to put down those who disagree with your view. It’s best to stick to the word, and debate your view from what God’ has to say.
Ilene Wright was DayOfTheLord and is now North/South. She went from a fundamentalist to a Universalist to an Atheist.
The only revealing God does with any of us is through His word. Period.
It's quite possible that the only revealing God has done with you is through His word. But you can't possibly know what anybody else's experiences have been.
It's quite possible that the only revealing God has done with you is through His word. But you can't possibly know what anybody else's experiences have been.
Exactly, Jesus told us to consider the birds and lilies. Just considering both of them is opening yourself up to hear God. Then just imagine how many other things there are that we could consider and hear God speak to us and inspire us.
Ilene Wright was DayOfTheLord and is now North/South. She went from a fundamentalist to a Universalist to an Atheist.
Are you serious? I had no idea. I always really liked Ilene and had no idea why she suddenly became "Not a Member." I guess I knew her when she was a Universalist. Does she still post?
Are you serious? I had no idea. I always really liked Ilene and had no idea why she suddenly became "Not a Member." I guess I knew her when she was a Universalist. Does she still post?
Yes, but infrequently as the atheist/agnostic North/South.
It's quite possible that the only revealing God has done with you is through His word. But you can't possibly know what anybody else's experiences have been.
No, I don’t know the experiences of others, nor can I see into their hearts. I can only speak for me.
However, our great God wants us to share His words with everyone, so that’s what I do every chance I get.
When it comes to knowledge of God and His will for man, His inspired word is the only source I look to. If you choose a different path, that’s your choice. God gave us free will. We will each have the opportunity to give an account when we stand before Him. My prayer is that we will both be acceptable in His sight when that time comes.
..........2 Thessalonians, Chapter 2...THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come."
"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day WILL NOT come, UNTIL the rebellion occurs and THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED, the man doomed to destruction." Alright. Let me just pause here for a minute. Do you see and understand what is being said here, plain as day? "Jesus WILL NOT return (2nd coming) UNTIL "The Man of Lawlessness"......who is the "AntiChrist"......IS REVEALED!!!! Not only does this scripture PROVE that Jesus has not come because we KNOW that the AntiChrist has not been revealed, it also proves that the AntiChrist is a "MAN"!!! Singularly a man, one person. Yes, there is the "spirit" of the AntiChrist that is among us right now. But this scripture is proof positive that Jesus has not returned and that the AntiChrist is a man that is still to come. NONE OF IT HAS HAPPENED. The above IS THE PROOF.
Continuing on with Chapter 2:
"He (the AntiChrist) will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." When exactly did the above happen? It hasn't!!
"Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. FOR THE SECRET POWER OF LAWLESSNESS IS ALREADY AT WORK; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."
"And then the lawless ONE will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy BY THE SPLENDOR OF HIS (Jesus) COMING!!!!!!
Once again, the scripture states PLAINLY that the AntiChrist is ONE, one MAN, that will be destroyed WHEN JESUS RETURNS!!...................
Right, the day of the Lord ( Jesus' Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-33 ) has Not yet come.
Since the 'composite ' Man of Lawlessness seats himself in the temple ( aka houses of worship ) then that 'Man' are the false clergy classes who seat themselves in the ' houses of worship ' as if they are God but in reality are: anti-God.
Yes, the sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of such people - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15
In the Bible there is No capital letter "A" for anti-Christ.
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