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I think the point, as it pertains to this forum and thread is, how do we know?
How do we know your path is valid?
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That's a good question. How do we know your path is valid?
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Originally Posted by Alpha8207
Because you say so?
If that's the case then is your path now invalid because I say so?
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You hold up a book as evidence
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Christians MUST hold every belief and idea up against God's Word. Because while we waiver, His word does not. While we want to go our own way, His Word shows us His way.
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the many contradictions...would lead one to conclude that the only way to assume your path is valid is "because you say so".
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why do you reject what is truth for me?
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I feel I have something to contribute to a discussion
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It's not up to you and me to decide what is and is not of God. God's word does that for us.
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So, then, where does that leave us?
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...the only unchangeable standard we can have in common for our beliefs and ideas...
You added bolded emphasis and seem to suggest a tone in my post that was not there at all.
I said it was a good question. I meant that.
I was simply pointing out that the same questions asked of me could just as easily be asked of Alpha, and in so doing we are both able to come to a common place where we can find different journeys to the same destination.
I won't go through every point, but I certainly have responded to every individual on this thread with cordial respect. Perhaps it is your far more peaceful personality that reads aggression where there is none intended.
If your intention was to simply show the varying notions of Christianity, why is it harmful to have a discussion with different ideas and perspectives?
We can only grow from such interaction. I was raised in a very diverse, global environment and grew exponentially through exposure to spiritual traditions different from my own. It is the way of the cosmopolitan world in which we live.
You added bolded emphasis and seem to suggest a tone in my post that was not there at all.
I said it was a good question. I meant that.
I was simply pointing out that the same questions asked of me could just as easily be asked of Alpha, and in so doing we are both able to come to a common place where we can find different journeys to the same destination.
I won't go through every point, but I certainly have responded to every individual on this thread with cordial respect. Perhaps it is your far more peaceful personality that reads aggression where there is none intended.
If your intention was to simply show the varying notions of Christianity, why is it harmful to have a discussion with different ideas and perspectives?
We can only grow from such interaction. I was raised in a very diverse, global environment and grew exponentially through exposure to spiritual traditions different from my own. It is the way of the cosmopolitan world in which we live.
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Why must you hate and ridicule another human so much without even seeking to understand that person's journey before judging? The beauty of discussion (and intellectualism in general) is the exploration of different perspectives. The Internet has provided a medium to do that the likes of which humanity, in its isolated cultural sects, has never before had.
By supporting Ilene's personal assault on me, you indirectly suggest my spiritual path as being "of a world point of view".
Yet, you could not be further from the truth. One could argue that reliance on a book written by humans and interpreted as God's inerrant Word is far more of a "world point of view" than the deeply personal direct experience I have sought with the one we call God.
But you seek not to understand my path. So be it. Your post saddens me.
It's the human thing to do. The desire for a REAL Christian forum is merely the unreasonable request for a thread that is exclusively "Fundamentalist Literalist Calvinist Bibleanity" . . . but called Christianity. Christ-centered means CHRIST-centered . . . NOT BIBLE-centered. The Bible informs and is useful for understanding God as revealed in Jesus Christ . . . NOT as revealed in a BOOK of man's interpretation and design. Expecting "magic" to prevent the inevitable corruptions to which humankind is heir and revering ANY book so created (God-inspired or not) as inerrant or the literal utterance from God's mouth . . . is pure primitive superstition.
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I still stand by my post on that thread (post #147 if yr interested).
I still would rather not be bogged down with the internal debates among Christians. I see that the Christianity forum has gone hog-wild lately but, honestly, the Christian infighting has always looked pretty much like that to me. I still like it to be contained in a forum that I can neatly avoid.
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Expecting "magic" to prevent the inevitable corruptions to which humankind is heir and revering ANY book so created (God-inspired or not) as inerrant or the literal utterance from God's mouth . . . is pure primitive superstition.
Thanks for your (lack of) tolerance and tact. March on, mighty warrior, march on!
I haven't posted much or read much here in quite awhile because I didn't like who I had become here. I became what I most struggled not to be and became what I most spoke out against.
Bottom line...I had moved away from the Lord and became a believer more into being right than being grateful to be living under Grace.
I know that what I most must do is talk to the Lord. I can read His Word all I want to, but what I most need to do is be in contact with Him and His Will.
This morning I was reading in Titus.
3:1-2 "Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility towards all men."
3:9-11 "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
I became the opposite of the first verses...and saw the second set in myself...so I removed myself as much as possible.
2 Timothy 2:23-24 "Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and not resentful."
That is where I am...what I am striving for... There is too much arrogance and strife at this forum for me to walk the walk (I'm including myself in that).
I am grateful for a forgiving God.
1 Timothy 1:15-17 "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on Him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
1 Timothy 1:15-17 "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on Him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
My life verses!
God bless you, SW!
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