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It's weird but so many people on here attack God and say that He doesn't exist. Then they argue that the ones who believe were pushed into believing in God. But the people who argue that God is a myth, I wonder where they are and what they have to say about this.
I mean they raid every other thread or post with their negative comments, but I wonder where they are now?
On top of that nonbelievers say that believing in God is crazy and the person is delusional. But I don't see any comments about his here, I wonder why?
If God does not exist, then how could God who is not real go to a women who was deaf and blind? I would like to hear from atheists or non-believers on this, sense they think that they are so smart and believers know nothing. I'm just wondering where did they all disappear too? LOL
It's weird but so many people on here attack God and say that He doesn't exist. Then they argue that the ones who believe were pushed into believing in God. But the people who argue that God is a myth, I wonder where they are and what they have to say about this.
I mean they raid every other thread or post with their negative comments, but I wonder where they are now?
On top of that nonbelievers say that believing in God is crazy and the person is delusional. But I don't see any comments about his here, I wonder why?
If God does not exist, then how could God who is not real go to a women who was deaf and blind? I would like to hear from atheists or non-believers on this, sense they think that they are so smart and believers know nothing. I'm just wondering where did they all disappear too? LOL
This simply does not amuse the brigade. You need to install bait words like genesis, lemurs, gays, buddha, enlightenment, logic with some bananas
This simply does not amuse the brigade. You need to install bait words like genesis, lemurs, gays, buddha, enlightenment, logic with some bananas
I didn't start this thread to attract atheists or non-believers, but just wanted to share this with everyone. But I noticed that none attacked as they do, and the reason is, because they couldn't really explain it or come up with a logical form of attack that would even make sense against the matter.
Helen was blind and deaf from the age of two, she had lived a life of isolation, unable to speak words she could not hear, unable to know what a word was. So, how did she know God?
In one of her letters, Helen told Bishop Brooks that she had always known about God, even before she had any words. Even before she could call God anything, she knew God was there. She didn't know what it was. God had no name for her -- nothing had a name for her. She had no concept of a name. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God's love. And when she received the gift of language and heard about God, she said she already knew.
Speaking for myself, I appreciate that you shared these views about Helen Keller. There are natural events and reasons for the way things turned out, but that doesn't mean removing God from the picture.
Helen Keller's life is certainly inspirational one. Being both deaf and blind does present some big limitations and challenges, but from whose point of view? Frankly, it's from the point of view of those who have hearing and sight. There are a few things to keep in mind.
Although Helen was not able to see or hear as others do, she had those abilities before the age of two. She did experience sight and sound at some point early on in life. Of course, that doesn't mean she fully comprehended everything as others who can see and hear do over the course of their lives. However, after blindness and deafness set in, she had no other choice but to depend on her other senses. She still had a sense of smell, taste, and touch to rely on. Many times, people have regarded those who are deaf and blind most of their lives as also being mentally defective. That's far from the truth.
I knew a girl who was both deaf and blind all of her life. When I met her she was a teenager. When she'd try to speak, most of the time it sounded like she was mentally retarded. The words just didn't come out so well. But she was indeed quite intelligent. What's interesting is that she still had an ability to "hear" other people, but not like everyone else. When she was young, laying her head or hand next to her parents or others, not only provided a link of affection with others, but enabled her to "hear" the vibrations she felt when other spoke to her. She had learned to communicate with sign language and touch, but she also learned to communicate vocally, even though it wasn't always easy to understand what she was saying. She learned to do this feeling the vibrations of other people as they spoke. And she learned to try to imitate those vibrations by what she could feel in her own head from her own speech. As I got to know her, it became easier to understand her.
That doesn't make things easier or quicker to learn, but as I just said, the reliance focuses on using the other senses that are available to understand the world around them. People who are deaf and blind, have limitations, especially in unfamiliar surroundings, but they are not profoundly isolated as some people might think. They still develop a sense of their own self-identity, and they know they aren't alone in the world because there are other people and things around them.
I suppose losing the sense of hearing or sight can be more difficult in many ways for people who are older. I also had a friend I knew from jr. high and high school. At around the age of 18, he developed a brain tumor that affected his vision. He had to wear very thick lens glasses in order to see anything at all. Even then everything was a blur of light and shadows. He had surgery to try to remove the tumor in order to stay alive but it left him totally blind. Being that he knew what it was like to see things, you'd think becoming blind like that would be pretty depressing. For him, it was depressing at first. But he got over it with the care and support of family and friends, and his outlook on life became very positive again. He learned to adapt with the senses he had as well as his memories. He studied skills at a school for the blind before we became totally blind. Unfortunately, the tumor returned and was impossible to remove. After a few short years, he died. He really was a remarkable inspiration to others.
While the story of Helen Keller's life is truly inspirational, I guess I don't find it hard to understand that she could develop a sense of God even before she had a language. The reason I say that is because she did have a language because her mind still functioned like anyone else. And she would have had a language that made sense to her, even if no one else could understand how. Again, even though she had to adapt to a world without sight or sound, she did have those senses before the age of two. And she still had her other senses to rely on. The difference was that it can be more difficult for other people to understand how she could learn without vision and hearing.
It's a perfectly natural for any person, no matter who they are, to not want to feel completely isolated and alone. It was said that Helen felt there was a God, even though she didn't know the word. It's what we usually call a spiritual feeling, that we're not completely alone because there's something or someone that's more than just us.
Keller was also surrounded by companions, like Anne Sullivan and others, who helped her learn, communicate and understand things. It seems pretty clear that she learned from her companions how to identify or name her previously familiar, but unidentifiable feelings.
She was the first deafblind person to receive a Bachelor of Arts degree, she authored a few books, including a spiritual autobiography. According to Wiki (link below): "Her spiritual autobiography, My Religion, was published in 1927 and re-issued as Light in my Darkness. It advocates the teachings of Emanuel Swedenborg, the controversial mystic who gives a spiritual interpretation of the Last Judgment and second coming of Jesus Christ, and the movement named after him, Swedenborgianism."
Keller was socially and politically active, and died in 1968 at the age of 87.
Was Keller's life a miracle? Well, yes, that's one way of looking at it. A lot of things came together for her which resulted in making her the person she was. She didn't end up being abandoned, warehoused, and forgotten in some asylum for such disabled people for the rest of her life. As a result, she was able to make some remarkable and inspiring contributions with a long productive life that's still admired to this very day.
Speaking for myself, I appreciate that you shared these views about Helen Keller. There are natural events and reasons for the way things turned out, but that doesn't mean removing God from the picture.
Helen Keller's life is certainly inspirational one. Being both deaf and blind does present some big limitations and challenges, but from whose point of view? Frankly, it's from the point of view of those who have hearing and sight. There are a few things to keep in mind.
Although Helen was not able to see or hear as others do, she had those abilities before the age of two. She did experience sight and sound at some point early on in life. Of course, that doesn't mean she fully comprehended everything as others who can see and hear do over the course of their lives. However, after blindness and deafness set in, she had no other choice but to depend on her other senses. She still had a sense of smell, taste, and touch to rely on. Many times, people have regarded those who are deaf and blind most of their lives as also being mentally defective. That's far from the truth.
I knew a girl who was both deaf and blind all of her life. When I met her she was a teenager. When she'd try to speak, most of the time it sounded like she was mentally retarded. The words just didn't come out so well. But she was indeed quite intelligent. What's interesting is that she still had an ability to "hear" other people, but not like everyone else. When she was young, laying her head or hand next to her parents or others, not only provided a link of affection with others, but enabled her to "hear" the vibrations she felt when other spoke to her. She had learned to communicate with sign language and touch, but she also learned to communicate vocally, even though it wasn't always easy to understand what she was saying. She learned to do this feeling the vibrations of other people as they spoke. And she learned to try to imitate those vibrations by what she could feel in her own head from her own speech. As I got to know her, it became easier to understand her.
That doesn't make things easier or quicker to learn, but as I just said, the reliance focuses on using the other senses that are available to understand the world around them. People who are deaf and blind, have limitations, especially in unfamiliar surroundings, but they are not profoundly isolated as some people might think. They still develop a sense of their own self-identity, and they know they aren't alone in the world because there are other people and things around them.
I suppose losing the sense of hearing or sight can be more difficult in many ways for people who are older. I also had a friend I knew from jr. high and high school. At around the age of 18, he developed a brain tumor that affected his vision. He had to wear very thick lens glasses in order to see anything at all. Even then everything was a blur of light and shadows. He had surgery to try to remove the tumor in order to stay alive but it left him totally blind. Being that he knew what it was like to see things, you'd think becoming blind like that would be pretty depressing. For him, it was depressing at first. But he got over it with the care and support of family and friends, and his outlook on life became very positive again. He learned to adapt with the senses he had as well as his memories. He studied skills at a school for the blind before we became totally blind. Unfortunately, the tumor returned and was impossible to remove. After a few short years, he died. He really was a remarkable inspiration to others.
While the story of Helen Keller's life is truly inspirational, I guess I don't find it hard to understand that she could develop a sense of God even before she had a language. The reason I say that is because she did have a language because her mind still functioned like anyone else. And she would have had a language that made sense to her, even if no one else could understand how. Again, even though she had to adapt to a world without sight or sound, she did have those senses before the age of two. And she still had her other senses to rely on. The difference was that it can be more difficult for other people to understand how she could learn without vision and hearing.
It's a perfectly natural for any person, no matter who they are, to not want to feel completely isolated and alone. It was said that Helen felt there was a God, even though she didn't know the word. It's what we usually call a spiritual feeling, that we're not completely alone because there's something or someone that's more than just us.
Keller was also surrounded by companions, like Anne Sullivan and others, who helped her learn, communicate and understand things. It seems pretty clear that she learned from her companions how to identify or name her previously familiar, but unidentifiable feelings.
She was the first deafblind person to receive a Bachelor of Arts degree, she authored a few books, including a spiritual autobiography. According to Wiki (link below): "Her spiritual autobiography, My Religion, was published in 1927 and re-issued as Light in my Darkness. It advocates the teachings of Emanuel Swedenborg, the controversial mystic who gives a spiritual interpretation of the Last Judgment and second coming of Jesus Christ, and the movement named after him, Swedenborgianism."
Keller was socially and politically active, and died in 1968 at the age of 87.
Was Keller's life a miracle? Well, yes, that's one way of looking at it. A lot of things came together for her which resulted in making her the person she was. She didn't end up being abandoned, warehoused, and forgotten in some asylum for such disabled people for the rest of her life. As a result, she was able to make some remarkable and inspiring contributions with a long productive life that's still admired to this very day.
I agree with you with the part of atheists, but I don't believe there is a such thing as this word people use as the Christian God. There is only one God and His name is Yahweh, not Christian God. Jesus never came and gave that name, it's something that people use.
I just happen to be Christian who believe in The Almighty God, and His name is Yahweh.
People use the word radical as it it means something in a negative sense. If you are referring Helen Keller as a radical, then do you really know what the word radical means?
Radical-Arising from or going to a root or source; basic: proposed a radical solution to the problem.
What Helen was doing was going to the root of the problem and trying to help the world fix problems that would help the blind and deaf community. If you call that radical, then I think that radical in her sense was good.
But when people think about the word radical, they think about people who are harming and pushing what they belief onto others.
Some define as an extremist of a belief or a rebel. Is this what you call Helen Keller, because she had a heart to get to the matter of the problem.
Jesus went straight to the problem. People use the word in a negative tone, because they are the ones that are adding to the problem that Jesus is correcting. People don't like to be corrected.
Well, I just meant the interpretation of God as understood through the Christian mythos. The phrase "Christian God" simply refers to the belief that God reflects the image derived from Christian texts. Didn't mean to suggest there's more than one God - just more than one experience an individual can have with God. Some are Christian, some Buddhist, some Atheist, some Muslim, some Hindu, whatever. Just different paths to the same One.
None, of course, are 100% accurate, so it's important to label each culture's interpretation as such to identify both their accuracies and their inaccuracies.
When Helen Keller was exposed to that One God, she was exposed to it through the path of Christianity, but still saw through to the almighty that exists for all.
I didn't mean anything negative about her radical sensibilities. I was just pointing out that we never learn about her strong advocacy for Socialism in school, only her impairments. I applaud her, as I do Jesus for being such a radical against institutional religion and government that they had to kill him.
I just wanted to post this to allow people with a closed mind to see God work in a way that will make them think.
If God can make Himself known to Helen, then I'm sure if others would just open their hearts to God, He will come to them also.
You have a really good thread here, and tho I have an understanding of God, and I call Him Yahweh too. There is always room for more understanding and this thread made me think! Thanks for posting your thoughts
You have a really good thread here, and tho I have an understanding of God, and I call Him Yahweh too. There is always room for more understanding and this thread made me think! Thanks for posting your thoughts
Yea, this really made me think also. There is so much to know about God that we will never know everything until we see Him as He is in heaven.
he is very different than the God of the Bible. Ask a devout muslim if they worship the same God as you.
Yes--the quran is textually pure compared to its original text...but I'd hardly call it inspired or scripture.
I have even heard a Muslim say that Allah does not speak of healing. This Muslim guy was on his death bed and said that Jesus came to Him, and he said he knew that it wasn't Allah, because Allah does not speak of healing.
So, now this guy is now Christian and preaching the Gospel.
You have a really good thread here, and tho I have an understanding of God, and I call Him Yahweh too. There is always room for more understanding and this thread made me think! Thanks for posting your thoughts
Thanks!!
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This Muslim guy was on his death bed and said that Jesus came to Him, and he said he knew that it wasn't Allah, because Allah does not speak of healing. 
