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Old 01-06-2013, 05:40 AM
 
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No, the Beatles.
Lol...I wonder if FOX is a yungun...
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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That is a falsehood. Many Indians believed the evangel and became Christians. Just because some did not does not mean all did not. That's like saying Americans rejected Him because some Americans do.
It would be hard to embrace something and someone who came to take your land and eventually wiped most of you out. The apostle Paul treated those who worshipped other gods with gentleness and respect and tried to find common ground with them. He did not force himself or his message on them, or abuse them. What if aliens came from some other land, speaking a strange language, wearing strange clothes, having strange customs and they came to tell you about someone named Jesus, whom, you had never heard about. And at the same time, they begin to over power you and take away your land and your homes. Would they have this right to do this, just because you did not understand, believe, or accept what they were saying? God bless.

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Old 01-06-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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"When he set foot on that sandy beach in the Bahamas on October 12, 1492, Columbus discovered that the islands were inhabited by friendly, peaceful people called the Lucayans, Taínos and Arawaks. Writing in his diary, Columbus said they were a handsome, smart and kind people. He noted that the gentle Arawaks were remarkable for their hospitality. "They offered to share with anyone and when you ask for something, they never say no," he said. The Arawaks had no weapons; their society had neither criminals, prisons nor prisoners. They were so kind-hearted that Columbus noted in his diary that on the day the Santa Maria was shipwrecked, the Arawaks labored for hours to save his crew and cargo. The native people were so honest that not one thing was missing.Columbus was so impressed with the hard work of these gentle islanders, that he immediately seized their land for Spain and enslaved them to work in his brutal gold mines. Within only two years, 125,000 (half of the population) of the original natives on the island were dead.If I were a Native American, I would mark October 12, 1492, as a black day on my calendar.Shockingly, Columbus supervised the selling of native girls into sexual slavery. Young girls of the ages 9 to 10 were the most desired by his men. In 1500, Columbus casually wrote about it in his log. He said: "A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."He forced these peaceful natives work in his gold mines until they died of exhaustion. If an "Indian" worker did not deliver his full quota of gold dust by Columbus' deadline, soldiers would cut off the man's hands and tie them around his neck to send a message. Slavery was so intolerable for these sweet, gentle island people that at one point, 100 of them committed mass suicide. Catholic law forbade the enslavement of Christians, but Columbus solved this problem. He simply refused to baptize the native people of Hispaniola.

Eric Kasum: Columbus Day? True Legacy: Cruelty and Slavery
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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It would be hard to embrace something and someone who came to take your land and eventually wiped most of you out. The apostle Paul treated those who worshipped other gods with gentleness and respect and tried to find common ground with them. He did not force himself or his message on them, or abuse them. What if aliens came from some other land, speaking a strange language, wearing strange clothes, having strange customs and they came to tell you about someone named Jesus, whom, you had never heard about. And at the same time, they begin to over power you and take away your land and your homes. Would they have this right to do this, just because you did not understand, believe, or accept what they were saying? God bless.
Yes the Roman Church was very cruel and murderous in forcing those they concurred to convert to their religion of Pope worship.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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Just because you didn't read about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. God ALWAYS warns a nation or society of what's coming beforehand. He sends missionaries, gives dreams, visions, and everything else that gives people a heads up on what is coming. Especially when it comes to judgments. There isn't any event in the Bible that happened (involving a judgement) that the people were not warned about beforehand. Even the Ancient Egyptians were warned (and some took heed). So that just tells you how God works. There's no way on Earth the Natives were not told.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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Maybe Jesus's first conversation with a native North American was with Rabbi, Chief Running Deer Goldstein.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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This link provides a little history of American Indian Christians:
John Eliot: Apostle to Indians - 1601-1700 Church History Timeline
and thats after 1492.....
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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I think the most simplified answer is that since Jesus and the rest of all the biblical characters was mainly a religion started in parts of the middle east. It was later colonized in Europe and the Americas, etc.

Their (NA) beliefs were different as they had no contact with these groups long ago, so why would they know anything about this particular set of fictional buddies? Religion is often quite regionalized to their roots and colonies for a reason.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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twin.spin, that does not really answer the original post.

The indians, living many thousands of miles away from Israel, had no idea Christ died for them until missionaries brought the message to them. The evangel does not rely upon a genealogical handing down of truth but by the evangelists hand-picked by God to bring the message.
The thing to keep in mind is that God determines who gets to hear or not.

In the broader view, the reason certain people do not can be traced to a generation that simply chose to reject the truth and follow some superstition. As God said numerous times:
Exodus 20:5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God,
punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
and that's repeated in Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18, Deuteronomy 5:9
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Just because you didn't read about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. God ALWAYS warns a nation or society of what's coming beforehand. He sends missionaries, gives dreams, visions, and everything else that gives people a heads up on what is coming. Especially when it comes to judgments. There isn't any event in the Bible that happened (involving a judgement) that the people were not warned about beforehand. Even the Ancient Egyptians were warned (and some took heed). So that just tells you how God works. There's no way on Earth the Natives were not told
Hi, there is no evidence that every nation was warned of the coming judgments of God. Yes, certain nations in the scriptures were presented as being warned, but there is nothing that says that all nations, tribes, clans, people were warned of the coming judgments of God. I believe that all people will evidently learn about Jesus. The coming judgments will have a beneficial effect in the long run. The sadder thing is what was done in the name of Jesus to others. But we must learn. God bless.

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