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Old 11-29-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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No, your missing the point. You said that God didn't want to sacrifice His Son, but He did. So He didn't get what He wants. Anyone rational person can see this. Then you say He doesn't get what He wants. Really? Did you really admit that? Do you even know God? Do you know how many scriptures there are that say otherwise?


If I want to do something it is not a sacrifice for me to do it, but if I do something I do not want to do then I am truly making a sacrifice.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:48 PM
 
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Definition of 'sacrifice':

an act of offering to a deity something precious; especially : the killing of a victim on an altar

something offered in sacrifice

destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else

something given up or lost <the sacrifices made by parents>


Yes, God DID want to and certainly did offer his Son Jesus in sacrifice for the sake of mankind's sins. Life is only in the blood - the blood of Jesus.

Jesus, Son of Man and Son of God, through His death and resurrection, is the victor over sin, death, Satan and hell. Through faith in Him, God gives to believers His Spirit, whereas they too will live eternally -- with Him as Co-Heirs.

If you're born twice - you die only once.
If you're born only once - you die twice.

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'
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Old 11-29-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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Yes, God DID want to and certainly did offer his Son Jesus in sacrifice for the sake of mankind's sins. Life is only in the blood - the blood of Jesus.


Saved I think some are still misunderstanding my posts.

The sacrifice God did not want to do was the bloody human sacrifice of His son.

That is to say that which people did to Jesus was not what God wanted them to do, God wanted them to reverence His son. But the people reject God offering (Jesus) and then crucified Him.

Jesus being the embodiment of Love went to the cross willingly, He did this because of the Love He bears all mankind and if He had of fought (or called 12 legions of angels) not to go to the cross He would not have expressed Love. War is NOT an expression of Love, tis why Jesus stopped Peter from killing, and healed the one Peter cut the ear from.

God offered the world His son and the world rejected Him, it was the rejection of the offering that crucified Jesus Christ.
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:56 AM
 
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Saved I think some are still misunderstanding my posts.

The sacrifice God did not want to do was the bloody human sacrifice of His son.

That is to say that which people did to Jesus was not what God wanted them to do, God wanted them to reverence His son. But the people reject God offering (Jesus) and then crucified Him.

Jesus being the embodiment of Love went to the cross willingly, He did this because of the Love He bears all mankind and if He had of fought (or called 12 legions of angels) not to go to the cross He would not have expressed Love. War is NOT an expression of Love, tis why Jesus stopped Peter from killing, and healed the one Peter cut the ear from.

God offered the world His son and the world rejected Him, it was the rejection of the offering that crucified Jesus Christ.
Your still saying that God didn't get what He wanted.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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Your still saying that God didn't get what He wanted.
Paul if God gets everything He wants please explain sin, death, rape, murder, molestations, disobedience etc.

Does God want these things?


You must believe God wants these things Paul, what a horrible view of God you hold.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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1 Peter 1
18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

Ephesians 5
1Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus was chosen by God before the creation of the world, to be a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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Paul if God gets everything He wants please explain sin, death, rape, murder, molestations, disobedience etc.

Does God want these things?


You must believe God wants these things Paul, what a horrible view of God you hold.

This study might help you with some of your questions.

http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Gods nature is LOVE, murdering ones own son is not love.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16

God did not murder His son. He gave Him up as a sacrifice for the sins of man. The perfect sacrifice. Jesus did it for us.
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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1 Peter 1
18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

Ephesians 5
1Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus was chosen by God before the creation of the world, to be a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Sorry but your still not getting it.

It is Jesus LIFE that was the offering, not His bloody death. the LIFE is in the BLOOD.

Jesus LIFE is the offering, the bloody human sacrifice of Him is the rejection of that LIFE.

In effect what you guys believe is that the rejection of the LIFE of Christ/the offering is what pleased God.





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Old 11-30-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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This study might help you with some of your questions.

http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf
You seem to be missing the point again.

Sin, evil, murder, disobedience etc. are things God does not want.

Treppet say God wants these things, I am saying God does not want these things.

But thanks for the link anyway
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