How do we determine if God is wrong?

[Reverend1111]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

You made a statement...David went to heaven eventually.

I asked...When did David go to heaven?

You did not answer that question.

Give me an answer that can be found from scripture...what you posted was not an answer and I explained by your futurist belief why is was not an answer by scripture.

So, I'm going to ask it again...When did David go to heaven?

Here is a little quote from David from m teachings. it's ok that we don't agree on where I get the info but it shows that David is in the Celestial heavens, although not in the presence of God yet, making his way and progressing as we all will in the spirit world.

"In the spirit world, though I had many memories of kindnesses I had done, I could not escape the memories of the damage of the battlefields, which I know I caused. So, though I was quite special in the gentle and delicate areas of life, I was also warlike, and these memories followed me over here. (He was in darkness for a time, I don't know how long as he hasn't said)
Well, as you gather, I inhabit the Celestial Heavens, where we are always working to reverse and heal the damages and horrors of war. I am particularly pleased and honored to assist here, knowing and understanding what drives mortals to do those acts that eventually only produce suffering and unhappiness for the doer". King David - 2003

[svenM]

this might fit to the topic

https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...unishment.html

I think it shows why everlasting torment would be evil in my opinion, according both to scriptural standards and common sense.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

Exactly...you can't claim the benefits of a Preterist belief, going to heaven when you die, while claiming to be a Futurist.

This is true. I think people confuse the kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven? Are they separate or are they the same?

Also they confuse being born again, and being saved. Some say you are born again at baptism which would mean you are changed from mortal to immortal. Others believe it is upon death that you are changed from mortal to immortal and that you are saved from death. Some take death to mean dead to your sins others take saved from death to mean you can never die (immortality).

Is all death talked about in the bible physical death?
Does saved mean saved from the death caused by sin or physical death?
Does born again and saved mean the same thing?
Can you be born again in life and saved in life (immortality) or does one have to physically die to be born again or saved?

[allen antrim]

The concept g-o-d, at least the christian concept, means that a mistake is not made by god. If you think god can error than god is a human or something but not g-o-d and; therefore, you don't have a g-o-d concept. Maybe in some other religion.