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as a person who attended a Catholic school, attended Mass several times a week, etc., may I say Catholics do NOT worship Mary. Mary is honored and is given devotion, which is different from worshipping and it is certainly nothing like what God represents. Divinity is worshipped and Mary isn't divine, same as the saints aren't divine: they all have in common the fact that they lived without sin (Mary in particular was absolutely pure) and that they were always inspired by Christ, thus becoming a "neighborly" help (prayers to Mary and the saints are basically asking for help for God to hear us). They can be imitated, people can aim to live without sin and be as honorable as possible. God cannot be imitated by us ordinary human beings. Jesus, as God's image, can be seen as an ideal role model but obviously many things about him are impossible to achieve, as he's one with God. The difference between Divine and earthy ones is obvious and the Catholic rituals acknowledge it.
as a person who attended a Catholic school, attended Mass several times a week, etc., may I say Catholics do NOT worship Mary. Mary is honored and is given devotion, which is different from worshipping and it is certainly nothing like what God represents. Divinity is worshipped and Mary isn't divine, same as the saints aren't divine: they all have in common the fact that they lived without sin (Mary in particular was absolutely pure) and that they were always inspired by Christ, thus becoming a "neighborly" help (prayers to Mary and the saints are basically asking for help for God to hear us). They can be imitated, people can aim to live without sin and be as honorable as possible. God cannot be imitated by us ordinary human beings. Jesus, as God's image, can be seen as an ideal role model but obviously many things about him are impossible to achieve, as he's one with God. The difference between Divine and earthy ones is obvious and the Catholic rituals acknowledge it.
I appreciate your response.
But just so you don't get flamed, I want to make it clear that freedom from sin is not a requirement for sainthood.
If anyone has read Augustine's Confessions, it should be pretty clear
But just so you don't get flamed, I want to make it clear that freedom from sin is not a requirement for sainthood.
If anyone has read Augustine's Confessions, it should be pretty clear
Of course, I know. That's why I said that Mary was absolutely pure, meaning that she never sinned (I realised that it was phrased badly, so I apologise). An ordinary person like Augustine became a saint because he overcame sin and decided to follow the right path, inspired by his faith.
Thanks for the clarification anyway, that was what I was meaning.
Of course, I know. That's why I said that Mary was absolutely pure, meaning that she never sinned (I realised that it was phrased badly, so I apologise). An ordinary person like Augustine became a saint because he overcame sin and decided to follow the right path, inspired by his faith.
Thanks for the clarification anyway, that was what I was meaning.
The virgin Mary in (seriously) all do respect is not part of the anointing to the children of God. She has not called the children to prayer of the lost and does not call the children to love one another or to honor God. These are wishful, logical,loving, qualities of what I sincerely believe Mary would convey. The overwhelming danger here is that nothing scripturally conveys this in Mary's various testamonials few as they are. The church created her into a goddess,a representation of many things she was not and most importantly representations she would (if alive today) who be repulsed and saddened She was a follower of Jesus she was the embodiment of motherhood and her womb was blessed! The entire well intended honor bestold Mary is perverted religousity gone to a level of paganism and idolitary. This is the fault of the church not its flock. Mary the maother of Jesus
was a great mom with specific lineage of the House of David . Mary's father was Nathan. Mary en-
dured much hardship raising Jesus notwithstanding his horrible death.
The virgin Mary in (seriously) all do respect is not part of the anointing to the children of God. She has not called the children to prayer of the lost and does not call the children to love one another or to honor God. These are wishful, logical,loving, qualities of what I sincerely believe Mary would convey. The overwhelming danger here is that nothing scripturally conveys this in Mary's various testamonials few as they are. The church created her into a goddess,a representation of many things she was not and most importantly representations she would (if alive today) who be repulsed and saddened She was a follower of Jesus she was the embodiment of motherhood and her womb was blessed! The entire well intended honor bestold Mary is perverted religousity gone to a level of paganism and idolitary. This is the fault of the church not its flock. Mary the maother of Jesus
was a great mom with specific lineage of the House of David . Mary's father was Nathan. Mary en-
dured much hardship raising Jesus notwithstanding his horrible death.
With all due respect, the Mother of Christ never died, she received the promise of transfiguration/translation. She overcame sin.
The only thing that Mary mother of Jesus says in the New Testament is "They will know my name and they shall call me blessed." The thing that draws my attention most are those apparitions. Either it is Mary mother of Jesus is appearing or it is Isis mother of Ra (Miracles of the sun associated with this apparition).
John 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
They cannot honour the Father through Mary. They can only honour the Father through the Son. Below is why they go to Mary.
John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.....
John 14:13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
They ask Mary and in her name she is glorified for answered prayers just as some of the answered prayers are creditted to the saints by which they are made "famous" for.
No one can say that by asking someone down here to pray for them that they credit them for answered prayers and yet by the rudiment in the world and by the rationalization of going to Mary and these departed saints inseatd fo directly to God, the world sees them as praying to idols as it is unavoidable that they are pertaining to that appearance of evil.
Jesus gave only one invitation in how we are to approach God the Father as He is the ONLY Mediator between God and man:
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
It is by not adhering to the Bridegroom as their first love that the wayward tend to others in having that relationship with God, but by Jesus own words, He rebukes such a practise.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber..... 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door:
As much as these scriptures have been used to correct those in error, they lean on the RCC for the "correct interpretation" of God's words, and yet for all the history of the RCC, they do not have a say as to the interpretation in regards to the application of those scriptures above.
Silence is not an interpretation nor an answer to continue a practise that goes around Jesus Christ or place someone inbetween them and Jesus for prayer.
I have heard this from a catholic that they go to Mary because they are more comfortable with her. Another says that Jesus is mad at them and so they go to Mary as Jesus will not say no to her, but little do they know that Jesus deferred people from honouring Mary to seeking the will of God.
Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Matthew 12:47Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
So while wayward believers that have been bought with a price and sealed as His are misled by the errors of the RCC, may Gof peradventure give them knowledge unto repentance and narrow the way back to the straight gate in having that personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ as a chaste bride to the Bridegroom they should be.
Those that love Jesus would by His grace, chasten themselves to honour the Son as the Bridegrrom He is and go to Him in prayer for it is only by Him we have access to the Father in praying to Him. He is the only way for believers to stand apart from the world when they make petitions for answered prayers to idols or "other gods" if we seek to be witnesses of Him.
1 Thessaloniasn 5: 21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22Abstain from all appearance of evil.23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
With all due respect, the Mother of Christ never died, she received the promise of transfiguration/translation. She overcame sin.
She is One with God.
I notice the capitalization on the One there. Is Mary God?
Mary sang in her magnificat of her need for the Saviour so she was not without sin.
Luke 1:46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
The idea of her being born without sin so Christ can be is a slippery slope of reasoning whereas that would mean that Mary's mother had to be born without sin and Mary's grandmother had to be born without sin and on down the line... and yet the scriptures says;
Romans 3:19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.... 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Only Jesus was concieved by the Holy Ghost to be born without sin. Mary had a mother and a father.
The idea that Mary remained a virgin is against God's words of marriage. She cannot be called a wife if they are not one flesh, and Joseph did not know his wife intimately until after Jesus was born.
Matthew 1: 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
So as Mary was pregnant with Jesus before Jospeh had gotten married, all God had to do if He so desire for Mary to remain a virgin for ever is not have her marry, but Joseph took Mary to be his wife and did not know her until Jesus was born.
There is no amount of rationalization by the RCC in getting around that.
Mary is not God and there is no one beside Him that has His ear.
Isaiah 44:6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besidemethere is noGod....Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there aGodbesideme? yea,there is noGod; I know not any.
Isaiah 45:5I am the LORD, andthere is none else, there is noGodbesideme: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: .....21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God elsebesideme; a just God and a Saviour;there is nonebesideme.
Hosea 13:4Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviourbesideme.
You are not required to know Mary as if she is beside Him for she is not. You are erquired to learn of Jesus and know Him for by doing so, you will know the Father.
Isaiah 40: 13Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him? 14With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
John 14:13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Seems to me that the glory of answered prayers is being shared with Mary and yet, even moreso given to Mary than the glory that belongs to Christ.
John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Mary did not die for you to prove her love for you so why are you adhering to a practise of the RCC that claims they love Jesus, but yet do not honour Him as their first love by going straight to Him and being chaste in their relationship with God by treating Him as the Bridegroom?
Whethor or not the "One" is a typo or you are now referring to Mary as God, it stands to show why we are to abtsian from all appearance of evilo if the world is to depart from their idols and their gods when God calls them out of the world to a perosnal reconciled relationship with Him through the Son ONLY so as to be witnesses of the Good News by which the RCC has taken the simplivity of the Gospel in presenting catholicism as nothing else but another gospel.
Time to go straight to Jesus in prayer and declare that you need Him as Your Good Shepherd as well as Your Saviour to discern good and evil from the meat in His word kept by those that love Him from Antioch from which the Textus Receptus was used for the translation of the King James Bible.
2 Corinthians 11: 1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Luke 13: 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door:
Can you please provide a scripture reference for this fact? I've studied long and hard and have yet to find this in the bible....anywhere.
Christy,
Unlike the Protestant Rule of Faith which is sola scriptura, the Roman Catholic Rule of Faith is a twofold one of scripture and tradition. The doctrine of the Assumption has been part of Catholic tradition for centuries and was finally declared dogma in 1950.
Wikipedia (a source I recommend always with reservations) has a good overview on this:
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