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Revelation 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
I suppose you will say that it is just a coincidence that the Roman(gentile) siege of Jerusalem was forty-two months. Which mind you was fulfilled in 70ad.
Regarding the dating of Jerusalem. Actually very few attribute it to the time of Domitian. A common error. You should really do some more research. Even well studied futurists agree that it was written before 70ad.
Extensive research has been done and the overwhelming conclusion is that it was written before 70ad.
Consider the Syriac translation of the Apocalypse. One of the earliest manuscripts still in existence. The opening notes said:
"The Revelation, which was made by God to John the Evangelist, in the island of Patmos, to which he was banished by Nero the Emperor."
Your quote by Barclay was a conclusion he made in ignorance of all the facts. An error many people parrot today rather than doing the research themselves. I used to claim the same thing too.
Actually, in 70 AD, the Roman Empire destroyed Israel's temple, killing over a million Jews in the process, and scattering those that remained. This was the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, when Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple as well as the scattering of Israel when He said, "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
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Actually, in 70 AD, the Roman Empire destroyed Israel's temple, killing over a million Jews in the process, and scattering those that remained. This was the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, when Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple as well as the scattering of Israel when He said, "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
And post #61 has your answer. But that really is of no matter. You can't respond. The scriptures can and have interpreted themselves. The times of the gentiles lasted for 42 months and ended with the destruction of the temple, which took exactly 42 months.
Your query has been resolved. What you do with it is up to you.
The A.P. News wire has confirmed that the U.S.S. Futurism has begun sinking. Reports are coming in with a preterist understanding of the term "quickly" from all over the globe. They tried to stop the damage that has continually eaten away at it's core belief of a soon coming return of Christ. Numerous attempts had been made to stop the prognosticators from setting dates but 200 years of failure has finally dealt the view its fatal blow. The attached artist rendition is the last vestiges of the U.S.S. Futurism. And true to form...You will notice that they are not polishing the brass on this sinking ship.
The A.P. News wire has confirmed that the U.S.S. Futurism has begun sinking. Reports are coming in with a preterist understanding of the term "quickly" from all over the globe. They tried to stop the damage that has continually eaten away at it's core belief of a soon coming return of Christ. Numerous attempts had been made to stop the prognosticators from setting dates but 200 years of failure has finally dealt the view its fatal blow. The attached artist rendition is the last vestiges of the U.S.S. Futurism. And true to form...You will notice that they are not polishing the brass on this sinking ship.
According to Josephus and Tacitus there was a sighting in the clouds. However Christ returning to them was in judgment and only to Judeans in Jerusalem just as the only the tribes are mentioned in Revelation and not the nations.
Tacitus Histories
Prodigies had occurred, which this nation, prone to superstition, but hating all religious rites, did not deem it lawful to expiate by offering and sacrifice. There had been seen hosts joining battle in the skies, the fiery gleam of arms, the temple illuminated by a sudden radiance from the clouds. The doors of the inner shrine were suddenly thrown open, and a voice of more than mortal tone was heard to cry that the Gods were departing.
Notice not one word said about seeing Jesus Christ come in 70 A.D. No, not even a passing hint.
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If you are speaking about Jesus returning in as per Acts how is it that he will return in like manner with every eye seeing him since only the Men of Galilee saw him leave? There is no one second coming of Christ. He certainly could come in judgment multiple times or for that matter appear to Paul in Acts 9. That is why the so called literal interpretation is a false one not just according to time.
Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
There were 500 men who saw Christ ascend into heaven. Every eye shall see Him is vastly more than 500 men.
If I were there I would have witnessed to the fact that Christ did not return in 70 A.D. because He did not return in 70 A.D.
No one saw Christ return in 70 A.D. If He did why didn't John write about in in Revelation written around 93 A.D.?
Hi Eusebius,
You are assuming the late date of Revelation which preterism rejects.
You also would not have wanted to be there. If Christ's return is what you want then why will the tribes(not the nations) mourn?
Revelation 1
He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Also any biblical scholar knows coming in the clouds is a judgment.
Ezekiel 30
Wail, ‘Woe to the day!’
3 For the day is near,
Even the day of the LORD is near;
It will be a day of clouds, the time of the Gentiles.
In Revelation we see Jesus suggesting he may come in judgment to several places.
Notice not one word said about seeing Jesus Christ come in 70 A.D. No, not even a passing hint.
Hi Eusebius,
It was a judgment. Any one who did see him perished.
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There were 500 men who saw Christ ascend into heaven. Every eye shall see Him is vastly more than 500 men.
Then its not in like manner and you have a contradiction. Its easily resolved by ceasing the nonsense of confusing the tribes of Israel with the nations. The Tribes of Israel did see Jesus come in judgment. Acts and Revelation are not a description of the same event.
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