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Old 01-25-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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GENESIS 1"19

So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


He created OUR day (evening and morning), or day and night
ON
THE
FOURTH
DAY

which means
OUR DAY (evening and day) DID. NOT. EXIST. THE. PREVIOUS. 3. DAYS
or are you assuming that he had created day and night on day 1, and then mentioned that he created it on day 4?

lol
Hebew word used "yom" means one day, or 24 hour period. Why should it mean 24 hours one day and something else on other days? It doesn't.
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:58 PM
 
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Hebew word used "yom" means one day, or 24 hour period. Why should it mean 24 hours one day and something else on other days? It doesn't.
When it has the number defining it, it means one literal 24 hour day, and in Genesis it does have the number defining each evening and morning, of the six day creation week.

There are other meanings that day can have, but in Genesis 1, it is defined by the numerals 1,2,3,4,5,6, periods of evenings and mornings.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:00 PM
 
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When it has the number defining it, it means one literal 24 hour day, and in Genesis it does have the number defining each evening and morning, of the six day creation week.

There are other meanings that day can have, but in Genesis 1, it is defined by the numerals 1,2,3,4,5,6, periods of evenings and mornings.
Yes exactly for example if I say, back in my grandfather's "day" but that does not mean millions of years.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters


That does not necessarily mean Day-1. The creation of earth and heavens could be way before Day-1. As a matter of fact it could have been billions of years before Day-1, and some scholars say that the earth was 'void' or empty, because it was Satan's domain, and it had become void during the fall of Lucifer. Before becoming void it was Luficer's second home, called the "Mineral Garden", and he had authority on earth.

And then God begins his creation with Day-1 when he said "Let there be light," and brought light to earth. So, Genesis is a how God created earth as we know it, but it already existed in another form before it. So, the formation of earth and heavens were not on same day as when light was brought in.

Link to story of Satan, including his past, present and future 'homes' (throne of God, Mineral Garden, atmospheric heaven, earth, abyss, lake of fire)
http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters


That does not necessarily mean Day-1. The creation of earth and heavens could be way before Day-1. As a matter of fact it could have been billions of years before Day-1, and some scholars say that the earth was 'void' or empty, because it was Satan's domain, and it had become void during the fall of Lucifer. Before becoming void it was Luficer's second home, called the "Mineral Garden", and he had authority on earth.

And then God begins his creation with Day-1 when he said "Let there be light," and brought light to earth. So, Genesis is a how God created earth as we know it, but it already existed in another form before it. So, the formation of earth and heavens were not on same day as when light was brought in.

Link to story of Satan, including his past, present and future 'homes' (throne of God, Mineral Garden, atmospheric heaven, earth, abyss, lake of fire)
http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf
I have never had an argument with that. It was unfinished.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters


That does not necessarily mean Day-1. The creation of earth and heavens could be way before Day-1. As a matter of fact it could have been billions of years before Day-1, and some scholars say that the earth was 'void' or empty, because it was Satan's domain, and it had become void during the fall of Lucifer. Before becoming void it was Luficer's second home, called the "Mineral Garden", and he had authority on earth.

And then God begins his creation with Day-1 when he said "Let there be light," and brought light to earth. So, Genesis is a how God created earth as we know it, but it already existed in another form before it. So, the formation of earth and heavens were not on same day as when light was brought in.

Link to story of Satan, including his past, present and future 'homes' (throne of God, Mineral Garden, atmospheric heaven, earth, abyss, lake of fire)
http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf
That's not Scripture. and Satan is not Lucifer. Satan has not fallen, for he had nothing to fall from, and he was never an angel. He was always "Satan/Belial/the Accuser/Slanderer/the dragon/the chief of the created evil spirits in heaven/Belial, and so on; but he was never a cherub, never a holy angel, never a son of God, never a "light bearer", and is still in the heavenlies, right where he was created to be from the beginning, as the opposer.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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I have never had an argument with that. It was unfinished.
It wasn't finished until day 6, and it was "very good", with no death, no corruption, in it.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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That's not Scripture. and Satan is not Lucifer. Satan has not fallen, for he had nothing to fall from, and he was never an angel. He was always "Satan/Belial/the Accuser/Slanderer/the dragon/the chief of the created evil spirits in heaven/Belial, and so on; but he was never a cherub, never a holy angel, never a son of God, never a "light bearer", and is still in the heavenlies, right where he was created to be from the beginning, as the opposer.
It is just a theory.....where in which really doesn't contradit scripture but I do agree about Lucifer, the first time He was kicked out was out of God's presense the second time he is kicked out and struck down to the earth is what sparks the tribulation. IMO
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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It wasn't finished until day 6, and it was "very good", with no death, no corruption, in it.
No argument.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:38 PM
 
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That's not Scripture. and Satan is not Lucifer. Satan has not fallen, for he had nothing to fall from, and he was never an angel. He was always "Satan/Belial/the Accuser/Slanderer/the dragon/the chief of the created evil spirits in heaven/Belial, and so on; but he was never a cherub, never a holy angel, never a son of God, never a "light bearer", and is still in the heavenlies, right where he was created to be from the beginning, as the opposer.
The Bible disagrees with your assesment. Ezekiel 28:13-19 clearly decribes the fall of Lucifer. He was a beautiful Cherubim angel at the Throne Of God unil he sinned.

You should read the link I attached. I think you would like it.

" 'You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.

14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.

15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching. 19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.' "
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