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I am perfectly willing to accept your version... show me the scripture in whatever version you want that this was the reason for his crucifixion. You saying it is just regurgitation... show me YOUR understanding and back it up with scripture otherwise how can anyone just simply agree with you? Are you infallible?
You don't believe the Scripture others have posted that prove Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God, so why would you believe me?
You don't believe the Scripture others have posted that prove Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God, so why would you believe me?
Because I proved that what you posted was wrong.. in error.. Why would I believe an error? Jesus was most certainly NOT crucified for claiming to be God... Soundly refuted earlier.. If you disagree with those proofs then post what you think proves it... I already disproved it...
Do you have other scripture or do you expect me to discount my own refutation on the matter? You didn't even bother to respond to the post. If you think I am just going to take your word for it when I have scriptural proof then you are mistaken. I won't. So either post a rebuttal to my refutation or accept that Jesus was not crucified for claiming to be God..
Honestly Kat, i cannot understand your comprehension concerning this ... The fullness of what? The fullness of deity ... Take away the word fullness and what do you have? That in Christ dwells deity in bodily form. The word fullness only indicates that all of the deity is in him.
If these things were not written down, you would have every reason to not believe Christ is God. I don't see how you think that is an argument.
However, it does not say "in Christ dwells deity" it says "in Christ dwells the fullness of deity.
If Christ is God and the disciples believed that then why talk about his deity dwelling in him.. wouldn't that be a given?
BUT if Jesus were full of the holy spirit then he would have the fullness of deity dwelling within him. As opposed to only having a little of the deity.
The holy spirit is deity, right? And Jesus was filled with the holy spirit, right? So what is it that points out to you that Jesus being filled with the divine has to mean God clothed himself in flesh?
I don't see how you reach that conclusion from just this verse.
You are correct, but is this denoting two thrones? No it isn't. I don't follow your line of reasoning here. This is the same throne, with two entities in it, God the Father, and God the Son.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I am not sure that it makes sense that because there is one throne that it means that Jesus is God.
The throne is the seat of power and we know that God has given all to the Son -- we also see that just as Jesus overcame and is sitting in his Fathers throne that those that overcome will sit in Jesus throne --- all the same throne, referring to delegated power (however we see in Rev 20:4 other thrones) throne and thrones mean rule. Jesus is King of kings.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I am not sure that it makes sense that because there is one throne that it means that Jesus is God.
The throne is the seat of power and we know that God has given all to the Son -- we also see that just as Jesus overcame and is sitting in his Fathers throne that those that overcome will sit in Jesus throne --- all the same throne, referring to delegated power (however we see in Rev 20:4 other thrones) throne and thrones mean rule. Jesus is King of kings.
And the kingdom was given to the saints....Christians.
I, a Christian, am in charge of the kingdom - Dan 7 and Rev 22
As a friend of mine puts it "In the priestly service representing and with power over the kingdom, under Christ my God, Lord and Head of it."
Because I proved that what you posted was wrong.. in error.. Why would I believe an error? Jesus was most certainly NOT crucified for claiming to be God... Soundly refuted earlier.. If you disagree with those proofs then post what you think proves it... I already disproved it...
Because I proved that what you posted was wrong.. in error.. Why would I believe an error? Jesus was most certainly NOT crucified for claiming to be God... Soundly refuted earlier.. If you disagree with those proofs then post what you think proves it... I already disproved it...
Do you have other scripture or do you expect me to discount my own refutation on the matter? You didn't even bother to respond to the post. If you think I am just going to take your word for it when I have scriptural proof then you are mistaken. I won't. So either post a rebuttal to my refutation or accept that Jesus was not crucified for claiming to be God..
That day will come when you shall get that chance to challange (arrogant as it may be) Jesus that he isn't God.... personally.
But the warped theology of UR proclaims that you'll confess "Jesus is God" out of belief anyway.....go figure.
no need to respond, time to leave town and wipe the dust off.
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no need to respond, time to leave town and wipe the dust off.
