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Luke 18:11-14 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.' "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
What does tithing have to do with anything. First I don't see it as doing anything other than supporting the church staff just like any other business fee. Second, if I don't attend church but spend my time and money helping others then my tithe is from the heart not the pocketbook.
God desires love not sacrifice. Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
1 Chronicles 16:34 O give thanks to the LORD, for He is good; For His lovingkindness is everlasting.
Psalm 100:5 For the LORD is good; His lovingkindness is everlasting And His faithfulness to all generations. (see also Psalm 106, 107, 118)
Jesus also said give not tithe .
He also said freely give , i find it hard to believe that tithing to the church is even scriptual.
I'm just curious to know how many universalists are there? What is your church called? I've been a Christian for many years and I've never heard of the "universalists" before a few days ago. I had no idea that people who claim to be Christians don't believe in hell.
I could not say how many Christians believe in universal reconciliation. I do know it is more than anyone could know, as many who believe in UR are too afraid to admit it for fear of being ostracized from their churches and or from the organized Christian community as an whole. I have read of many who do not admit that they believe in UR for this very reason.
There are at least two Christian Universalist churches that i know of in Dallas Tx. where i live, but i have not yet visited either of them though i have contemplated doing so. I came out of organized religion many many years ago ... My father was a preacher and i discovered early in my life the evils of organized religion. I quit going to church long before i came to accept and believe in Universal Reconciliation though. I was an ET'er for nearly 30 years of my life, until about 4 years ago when the lord lead me to the true good news of his plan and pourpose in the ages to restore all things and reconcile them to himself through Christ. I had never heard of it either other than in passing a few times, but i always thought like many others do, that it was new age or something cultish. I never paid it any attention. Then the lord began convicting my spirit of the evil of the doctrine of eternal torment. So i began to really study the issue, and i came across Andrew Jukes ... That was just the beginning. Ever since i have known that God will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.
Here is a link to an online version of the first book i had ever read by Andrew Jukes ...
Restitution of All Things (Index) (http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm - broken link)
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Same old stuff? It's the truth. I don't care if you tithe, but you are robbing the Lord and He does care.
Actually, I did read the beginning of what you sent...the part you posted. I don't have time to read the entire thing. I will continue tithing. Why do you care if I tithe?! Are you trying to convince me not to tithe? I am giving money to glorify God, not because He asks me, but from a gracious heart because God loves a gracious giver.
You believe Satan is blinding us and we believe you are blinded. If Satan was blinding us, why would he want us going to church and learn about God (unlike universalists), why would he trick us into tithing to better His kingdom (unlike universalists), and why would he trick us into evangelizing to get people to know that Jesus is true? Does that make any sense? No, it makes sense that he would want you not to go to church, not to tithe, and not to worry about getting people to Honor God. Think about it.
Same old stuff? It's the truth. I don't care if you tithe, but you are robbing the Lord and He does care.
Actually, I did read the beginning of what you sent...the part you posted. I don't have time to read the entire thing. I will continue tithing. Why do you care if I tithe?! Are you trying to convince me not to tithe? I am giving money to glorify God, not because He asks me, but from a gracious heart because God loves a gracious giver.
You believe Satan is blinding us and we believe you are blinded. If Satan was blinding us, why would he want us going to church and learn about God (unlike universalists), why would he trick us into tithing to better His kingdom (unlike universalists), and why would he trick us into evangelizing to get people to know that Jesus is true? Does that make any sense? No, it makes sense that he would want you not to go to church, not to tithe, and not to worry about getting people to Honor God. Think about it.
Where is your money ACTUALLY spent when you tithe in your church?
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