Disappointment - Cincinnati: is this really it? (Madison: high school, live)

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by progmac

people ask so that they can see if they have mutual acquaintances, friends, etc. i don't understand why this is such a big deal. i have no doubt that this happens in every city among the natives. it's like how i ask people what town they're from if they say they are from the same part of the state as i

You will never hear that question in a real city, unless the people talking were high school jocks and never went to college. One never again talks about high school the day he starts college. It's embarrassing. One is supposed to forget high school at the earliest opportunity and move on to accomplishments and activities that have meaning and worth.

In a real city, nobody has mutual acquaintances, even if they're from the same side of town. Cities are just too big. People know not to even ask, because the odds of knowing the same person are so remote, and even if you did know someone in common, what's the point of talking about that other person? Demanding that someone detail their background or network is rude and intrusive.

I'd lose the high school bit. Someone from outside of Cincinnati will think you less of a person for bothering to care about such things as an adult.

Originally Posted by Sarah Perry

I believe it was on this forum that I saw someone opine that the question offers a quick way to assess the background and social class of someone you've just met. It certainly is something that occurs frequently in Cincinnati. I think it may also be considered a more "polite" way to ascertain whether a person's Roman Catholic or not, because otherwise people can just ask what part of town a person grew up in.

Of course, you might consider either of those questions small-minded and embarrassing, too.

Real cities say "what part of town are you from?" Asking one's religion is rude and intrusive. Further, in no case, is it ever mannered or appropriate to force another to justify his "social class."

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Cincinnati's main concentration is the riverfront. The redevelopment of the riverfront from clusters of commercial enterprises ino the current park system has greatly enhanced downtown. The inclusion of GABP and PBS on the riverfront does occupy a lot of space, but is where I believe they should be. They draw quite a number of people to Cincinnati. Suburban located stadia in other cities have not fared so well, notably the Silverdome in Pontiac, MI.

Detroit hasn't fared well. Indicting the Silverdome for Detroit's legion problems isn't quite accurate. Downtown stadia are horrible ideas and make going to a ballgame an ordeal. I'd much rather stadia were built like Miller Field in Milwaukee with acres of parking and easy highway access.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

You will never hear that question in a real city, unless the people talking were high school jocks and never went to college. One never again talks about high school the day he starts college. It's embarrassing. One is supposed to forget high school at the earliest opportunity and move on to accomplishments and activities that have meaning and worth.

In a real city, nobody has mutual acquaintances, even if they're from the same side of town. Cities are just too big. People know not to even ask, because the odds of knowing the same person are so remote, and even if you did know someone in common, what's the point of talking about that other person? Demanding that someone detail their background or network is rude and intrusive.

I'd lose the high school bit. Someone from outside of Cincinnati will think you less of a person for bothering to care about such things as an adult.



Real cities say "what part of town are you from?" Asking one's religion is rude and intrusive. Further, in no case, is it ever mannered or appropriate to force another to justify his "social class."



Detroit hasn't fared well. Indicting the Silverdome for Detroit's legion problems isn't quite accurate. Downtown stadia are horrible ideas and make going to a ballgame an ordeal. I'd much rather stadia were built like Miller Field in Milwaukee with acres of parking and easy highway access.

But what you ignore is that Cincinnati's downtown stadia are very easy to access. Like most of downtown Cincinnati, access to the stadia is simple, direct, and easy to accomplish. One of the things which makes Cincinnati attractive.

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

But what you ignore is that Cincinnati's downtown stadia are very easy to access. Like most of downtown Cincinnati, access to the stadia is simple, direct, and easy to accomplish. One of the things which makes Cincinnati attractive.

No. It's crowded, cramped and a pain. It's jammed up against a river with only a couple of ways to get out. It's much easier to see a Brewer's game than a Reds game. I only thought you put the stadia there because it was otherwise unusable floodplain, so the land was cheap.

Stadia should be away from downtown. Note that neither Chicago nor New York has a single downtown stadium. Let downtown be downtown. Stadia use a lot of land. Let them use this land where it won't hinder downtown's growth.

I would have put the stadia out on 275, but downtown organization tax-feeders love jamming everything together to increase their dues, and they love having a single postcard that captures the entire city.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

You will never hear that question in a real city, unless the people talking were high school jocks and never went to college.

In a real city, nobody has mutual acquaintances, even if they're from the same side of town. Cities are just too big. People know not to even ask, because the odds of knowing the same person are so remote, and even if you did know someone in common, what's the point of talking about that other person?

I couldn't agree more. I have never been asked what high school I went to, no matter where I lived. Now take note that I have never been asked that in Cincinnati either. I am in the inner city though and wonder if such questions are not reserved for snootier parts of town and/or outlying suburbs. Either way, if that particular question is as common as these forum boards say then it goes a long way in revealing some hidden small town tendencies.

[flashes1]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

No. It's crowded, cramped and a pain. It's jammed up against a river with only a couple of ways to get out. It's much easier to see a Brewer's game than a Reds game. I only thought you put the stadia there because it was otherwise unusable floodplain, so the land was cheap.

Stadia should be away from downtown. Note that neither Chicago nor New York has a single downtown stadium. Let downtown be downtown. Stadia use a lot of land. Let them use this land where it won't hinder downtown's growth.

I would have put the stadia out on 275, but downtown organization tax-feeders love jamming everything together to increase their dues, and they love having a single postcard that captures the entire city.

Are you serious? Cinci's stadiums are perfectly situated right on the river..and close to the huge parking garages that house the downtown workers so there's never a shortage of parking for sporting events....putting them out by 275 would have been a huge bore and this is coming from a guy who lives within 5 miles of 275.

Chicago's baseball and football stadiums while not in the central business district are in very urban areas close to downtown.....and everyone laughs where the Giants' stadium's located in NJ. Both the Mets and Yankees' stadiums are in very urban areas and Madison Square Garden is in Manhattan.

Isn't Miller Park located very close to downtown? My boss works right on the lake and she's remarked several times, how close Miller Park is to her downtown office. Just because it's not right smack in the center of downtown, doesn't mean Miller Park is not considered part of the urban core.

[Sarah Perry]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

..then it goes a long way in revealing some hidden small town tendencies.

Hidden? Seriously? haha. My best laugh of the day.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by Sarah Perry

Hidden? Seriously? haha. My best laugh of the day.

I was trying to be nice.

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by flashes1

Are you serious? Cinci's stadiums are perfectly situated right on the river..and close to the huge parking garages that house the downtown workers so there's never a shortage of parking for sporting events....putting them out by 275 would have been a huge bore and this is coming from a guy who lives within 5 miles of 275.

Chicago's baseball and football stadiums while not in the central business district are in very urban areas close to downtown.....and everyone laughs where the Giants' stadium's located in NJ. Both the Mets and Yankees' stadiums are in very urban areas and Madison Square Garden is in Manhattan.

Isn't Miller Park located very close to downtown? My boss works right on the lake and she's remarked several times, how close Miller Park is to her downtown office. Just because it's not right smack in the center of downtown, doesn't mean Miller Park is not considered part of the urban core.

You used "central business district," "urban areas," "urban core," "downtown" and "very close to downtown." There's little point in discussing this with you, as you'll play with whatever nebulous silly putty concept you can stretch to fit until you get the answer you want.

Congestion is bad. Spread out is good. It's far easier to get to Sox Park than Wrigley Field, because Sox Park is serviced by streets and the highway. It's easier to get to the Brewer's stadium than either of the Chicago ballparks. No matter how much you dislike it, these are facts.

And, no, Miller Park is not downtown, regardless of how stretchy your taffy is.

Originally Posted by TomJones123

I couldn't agree more. I have never been asked what high school I went to, no matter where I lived. Now take note that I have never been asked that in Cincinnati either. I am in the inner city though and wonder if such questions are not reserved for snootier parts of town and/or outlying suburbs. Either way, if that particular question is as common as these forum boards say then it goes a long way in revealing some hidden small town tendencies.

Whenever an adult talks about high school, I think of Al Bundy. His obsession with high school glory wasn't displayed as a complimentary adult trait.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

No. It's crowded, cramped and a pain. It's jammed up against a river with only a couple of ways to get out. It's much easier to see a Brewer's game than a Reds game. I only thought you put the stadia there because it was otherwise unusable floodplain, so the land was cheap.

Stadia should be away from downtown. Note that neither Chicago nor New York has a single downtown stadium. Let downtown be downtown. Stadia use a lot of land. Let them use this land where it won't hinder downtown's growth.

I would have put the stadia out on 275, but downtown organization tax-feeders love jamming everything together to increase their dues, and they love having a single postcard that captures the entire city.

Soldier Field is basically downtown. United Center is basically on the edge of the near west side. Obviously the Cubs and Sox play a little further from downtown, however there is not one major sporting venue in all of Manhattan.

Sports are much more a part of life in the core of Chicago than in New York, and therefore difficult to compare. Chicagos stadia are much more integrated into the edge of downtown more similar to other midwest cities.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

however there is not one major sporting venue in all of Manhattan.

Wrong. Madison Square Garden host the Knicks and Rangers as well as boxing.

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Sports are much more a part of life in the core of Chicago than in New York, and therefore difficult to compare.

Your kidding, right?