Dohoney: Streetcar Has $17.4 Million Shortfall, "Needs More Funding"" (Cincinnati: mortgage, young professionals)

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

I'm sure things have changed somewhat in the last 5 years, but how much?

U.S. Cities Growing Faster Than Suburbs - Real Time Economics - WSJ

[natininja]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Good or bad, I can guarantee you my acquiantances could care less about the streetcar. They consider it a Cincinnati situation pure and simple. Cincinnati decided to go ahread. That is just fine, but what is Cincinnati now expecting to boiil them out of their delemma? You make a deicision then you see it through to the end. This seems to be what Cincinnati is incapable of doing.

They are trying to avoid another referendum, which is tricky because of the parking court ruling. I know the nuances and particulars don't change the way you view the situation, but I think we can all agree voting on this a third time would be completely ridiculous. Unfortunately, COAST, Smitherman, and Cranley would make sure it happened. And in that case, council voting now versus later doesn't speed up a damn thing.

If Kasich hadn't pulled the TRAC money, this wouldn't be an issue. It would just mean shortening the route some -- which already happened long ago.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Do you think it may be due to the fact he realizes that is where the financial clout is?

Inner-City Neighborhoods Center of Population, Economic Power in Cincinnati Region — UrbanCincy

[rrtechno]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

U.S. Cities Growing Faster Than Suburbs - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Interesting opening statement:

"America’s biggest cities are continuing to outgrow their suburbs as the economy’s plodding recovery makes it harder for city dwellers to move to greener pastures."

That being said, your article (what I could read without subscribing) speaks in general terms of the country overall, giving specifics of the New York/New Jersey and Chicago areas (although the Chicago numbers were somewhat confusing).

The article I linked to was Ohio specific, which I believe is more in line with the topic in the Cincinnati threads.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

The article I linked to was Ohio specific, which I believe is more in line with the topic in the Cincinnati threads.

I agree, but the article was very dated in light of the recession. But across the country the trend is that more people are moving into cities, why would Cincinnati be exempt?

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Inner-City Neighborhoods Center of Population, Economic Power in Cincinnati Region — UrbanCincy

Just because the inner City remains the highest concentration of jobs has nothing to do with population. I would expect nothing less than Cincinnati having the most jobs, as that is where the offices of the major companies are located. As we are more and more a service dominated economy, where you work and where you live have little to do with each other.

As Cincinnati has the highest concentration of jobs that should be to their advantage, as they certainly do not have the highest concentration of population. Cincinnati should be on easy street due to all those people who pay City income taxes and do not even live there. But Cincinnati does not seem to be able to manage that windfall of money to their advantage.

I just point out the real economic power comes from people voting where they live, not where they work. Maybe that is what we need, you can vote where you pay City income taxes. I would like to see the result of that.

[TomJones123]

^ But your point of view of adding up everyone that lives outside city limits is simply trying to twist numbers to substantiate your point of view.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

^ But your point of view of adding up everyone that lives outside city limits is simply trying to twist numbers to substantiate your point of view.

Twist numbers - no those are real people, real votes, and real numbers. Why do you think the light rail initiative went down in flames? Those who live outside of the City limits see little need for it. Same reason we see little need for the streetcar. When the City can show a 20% population increase over maybe 5 years we might believe they are on the right track. Slowing down the poulation loss and rehabbing portions of the City like OTR are definite positives. But they fall very short of a significant population turnaround.

In my mind, the downtown population could drop to zero and the CBD would keep marching on. People would simply commute which is what the majority do now. I do believe there should be a downtown living option, but do I believe it is the do-all-to-end-all - No, just an option which the minority chose.

[unusualfire]

^No the reason that light rail didn't pass was because of the stadiums.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

^No the reason that light rail didn't pass was because of the stadiums.

That is rediculous. The people may have been upset about the stadiums, but if they wanted light rail they would have voted for light rail.

Or are you saying Cincinnati can only do one thing at at time? In that light I may agree with you.