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Old 08-29-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: The City
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I'm pretty sure you meant 2.34 million, since the Triad is already like 1.5 million now.



Miami wasn't quite as fast-growing as other Sunbelt metros even before the recession, but metro Atlanta added about 90K people from 2008-2009 and metro Phoenix added about 77K. Even Miami added 45K people. These numbers are definitely down from the boom days earlier in the decade, but it's certainly a far cry from zero growth as you stated.

so far 2010 estimates are flat and the bottom end of those rates are on par with hardly growing areas like Phily for example - that is almost a natural growth rate based on the population.

I also just read an article that stated Phoenix may actually show a decline this year and all indications suggest Atlanta is flat this year taking away natural growth
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:39 AM
 
Location: metro ATL
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so far 2010 estimates are flat and the bottom end of those rates are on par with hardly growing areas like Phily for example - that is almost a natural growth rate based on the population.

I also just read an article that stated Phoenix may actually show a decline this year and all indications suggest Atlanta is flat this year taking away natural growth
2010 estimates aren't even out yet. I think we may get some preliminary estimates later in the year.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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2010 estimates aren't even out yet. I think we may get some preliminary estimates later in the year.

I guess projections would be a better name, based on residential and commercial real estate data. The TX areas seem to be the only areas truly immune to the economic situation

I often wonder what happens to all the folks in the construction business when new contruction goes from high to slow.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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so far 2010 estimates are flat and the bottom end of those rates are on par with hardly growing areas like Phily for example - that is almost a natural growth rate based on the population.

I also just read an article that stated Phoenix may actually show a decline this year and all indications suggest Atlanta is flat this year taking away natural growth
You may have just read that article, but it was written in January of 2009. We've already established that although the Phoenix metro didn't experience the same type of growth as in previous years, it was still one of the fastest growing metros last year.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: The City
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You may have just read that article, but it was written in January of 2009. We've already established that although the Phoenix metro didn't experience the same type of growth as in previous years, it was still one of the fastest growing metros last year.

No it was more recent, it was a 2010 article, also had references to Vegas, truly a shame what has happened in that market and all the people directly impacted
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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No it was more recent, it was a 2010 article, also had references to Vegas, truly a shame what has happened in that market and all the people directly impacted
I've also seen a "recent" article stating the same; however it was written in early 2009. Regardless, the Phoenix metro hasn't seen a decline in population, nor negative growth and despite the recession, I do not foresee that happening anytime soon.
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:32 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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I'm pretty sure you meant 2.34 million, since the Triad is already like 1.5 million now.

My numbers com directly from the link. No, it's not 2.34, it's 1.34. Remeber, CSA's also include micropolitan areas too. I am not not using my own numbers anywhere. I am only commenting based on what's been most recently published.
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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My numbers com directly from the link. No, it's not 2.34, it's 1.34. Remeber, CSA's also include micropolitan areas too. I am not not using my own numbers anywhere. I am only commenting based on what's been most recently published.
Ah, ok. So you were just combining the Greensboro and Winston-Salem projections without including the Burlington metro or the Thomasville and Mt. Airy micro areas because they weren't included on the list. Well needless to say, the total Triad projection is going to be much higher than 1.34 million since the latest estimates have it at 1.58 million and it's not losing population.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Ah, ok. So you were just combining the Greensboro and Winston-Salem projections without including the Burlington metro or the Thomasville and Mt. Airy micro areas because they weren't included on the list. Well needless to say, the total Triad projection is going to be much higher than 1.34 million since the latest estimates have it at 1.58 million and it's not losing population.
...nor am I adding the micropolitan areas associated with the Triangle or Charlotte.

Besides, the combined projected increase for the Raleigh & Durham MSA's is ~1,060,000 through 2025. The combined projected increase for Greensboro & Winston-Salem is ~225,000. Do you really think 3 micropolitan areas included in this discussion make that much of a difference?

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Old 08-29-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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Jersey City, outshining Newark.
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