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I'm saying this as someone who is ethically white, but the Indian/Pakistani population in Houston seems to be low-balled IMO, especially Pakistanis. To me it seems like that group probably makes up about like 5-10% of the city. Does anyone else feel this way? I'm not arguing with the numbers just a little surprised. Also, I'm surprised the Indian/Pakistani population are still included in the same demographic as East Asians. They really should be two separate groups.
And how did you come up with the integration rankings, Danny? It would appear to me that Houston would be number one in Asian integration and Miami in Hispanic/Latino.
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Oh, and another point from Danny's post:
Did anyone else notice that all four of the big cities in the South will more than likely have majority-minority (god i hate that term) metros within the next 10 years? Chances are, with the rate of change and population growth, that Atlanta and Dallas already are.
You mean Minority-Majority, right?
The majority is considered "White" and Minorities being everyone else. Miami & Houston are already Minority-Majority. Atlanta & Dallas by 2015 with the kind of growth their experiencing will be Minority-Majority as well.
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Great post Danny!
Overall none of the Big Southern Four have a serious advantage over each other when it comes to overall "diversity" and integration. They have all gone through great lengths in the last 30 years to erase the memory of Jim Crow, and the growth of other ethnic groups and nationalities in all four metro's is stunning.
Yeah it's interesting to see because each and every single one of them lead in one of the four main races. And they all have ethnicity that they specialize in more so than the others.
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I'm saying this as someone who is ethically white, but the Indian/Pakistani population in Houston seems to be low-balled IMO, especially Pakistanis. To me it seems like that group probably makes up about like 5-10% of the city. Does anyone else feel this way? I'm not arguing with the numbers just a little surprised. Also, I'm surprised the Indian/Pakistani population are still included in the same demographic as East Asians. They really should be two separate groups.
Any how did you come up with the integration rankings, Danny? It would appear to me that Houston would be number one in Asian integration and Miami in Hispanic.Latino.
I used the source. And no you're not alone on the feeling that South Asians make a good chunk of the city, I am South Asian myself, and I see them everywhere I go unless its the North or East side, then its sparse. But yeah, all of these cities based off feel have good diversity.
Did anyone else notice that all four of the big cities in the South will more than likely have majority-minority (god i hate that term) metros within the next 10 years? Chances are, with the rate of change and population growth, that Atlanta and Dallas already are.
When hispanics become the majority in Texas and California that term can no longer be used (minority majority). Hispanics in 20+ years will make up the majority and whites will be a minority in this country. Never would have thought this was a slightly possible 30 years ago.
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I'm saying this as someone who is ethically white, but the Indian/Pakistani population in Houston seems to be low-balled IMO, especially Pakistanis. To me it seems like that group probably makes up about like 5-10% of the city. Does anyone else feel this way? I'm not arguing with the numbers just a little surprised. Also, I'm surprised the Indian/Pakistani population are still included in the same demographic as East Asians. They really should be two separate groups.
And how did you come up with the integration rankings, Danny? It would appear to me that Houston would be number one in Asian integration and Miami in Hispanic/Latino.
One thing you have to keep in mind when counting "ethnic" populations is that it's an incredibly hard thing to do. For one, many recent immigrants simply do not answer questions about their ancestry on Census forms and the Bureau only officially counts these things every 10 years. The yearly estimates we see are just a "best guess" of the ethnic and nationality make up of the area. Given how fast and how many people Houston (and the other 3 of the Big Southern Four) has added over the last 10 years, anyone who says for certain how many people live there and their ethnic background is not telling the whole truth.
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I used the source. And no you're not alone on the feeling that South Asians make a good chunk of the city, I am South Asian myself, and I see them everywhere I go unless its the North or East side, then its sparse. But yeah, all of these cities based off feel have good diversity.
Yeah, I checked the source because I still couldn't believe it. I wonder why that is? It would be different if most of the Southeast Asian community was concentrated in the SW part the Innerloop (where I live), but they seem to expand as far west as Bellaire and as far south as Sugarland (Little India and Little Pakistan are on the outskirts of Sugarland if I'm not mistaken). Also, they seriously probably make up about 10-15% of the student body at UofH. I don't know. With the exception of Dallas, we do seem to have quite a bit larger South Asian population then the other Southern cities so maybe that's why it seems like that demographic seems much larger than it is.
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When hispanics become the majority in Texas and California that term can no longer be used (minority majority). Hispanics in 20+ years will make up the majority and whites will be a minority in this country. Never would have thought this was a slightly possible 30 years ago.
Yeah, it is rather unbelievable what has happened just in my life time in this country. I don't think anyone ever considered back then that by the middle part of this century the only place you would be able to call "minority majority" or "majority minority" (still hate both terms) would be Minnesota or Maine.
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Yeah, I checked the source because I still couldn't believe it. I wonder why that is? It would be different if most of the Southeast Asian community was concentrated in the SW part the Innerloop (where I live), but they seem to expand as far west as Bellaire and as far south as Sugarland (Little India and Little Pakistan are on the outskirts of Sugarland if I'm not mistaken). Also, they seriously probably make up about 10-15% of the student body at UofH. I don't know. With the exception of Dallas, we do seem to have quite a bit larger South Asian population then the other Southern cities so maybe that's why it seems like that demographic seems much larger than it is.
You have to keep in mind. Use the link for that and look at Los Angeles & New York City also. Los Angeles is by far more integrated this is why:
Remember when a city has ethnic enclaves that leads to a area where people of that background start living more often. Less interactions with others. Atlanta is more integrated by Asians than Houston because much of Houston's Asian population is centered around their enclaves. Atlanta like Waronxmas said seems to be more integrated among that. Houston is more integrated in the other races, for the same reason. Miami has a lot of barrios, where Hispanics of one background only stick to themselves. Vice versa same case for most ethnicity. Like Hillcroft for example, you see all South Asians and rarely anyone else there, the enclaves make it a bit more "segregated" overall. But Houston still has good level of integration. I would say all of these cities have a good level of integration.
Also another thing is, all of these cities are quite spread out, that leads to more day to day interactions amongst racial groups. Especially when its drive, fill in gas, and things like that. It forces people to interact. In a condensed area, people stick to their own villa and their own daily routine.
One thing you have to keep in mind when counting "ethnic" populations is that it's incredibly hard thing to do. For one, many recent immigrants simply do not answer questions about their ancestry on Census forms and the Bureau only officially counts things every 10 years. The yearly estimates we see are just a "best guess" of the ethnic and nationality make up of the area. Given how fast and how many people Houston (and the other 3 of the Big Southern Four) has added over the last 10 years, anyone who says for certain how many people live there is not telling the whole truth.
That's probably true. I'm sure it also doesn't include people here on work or school visas, much less illegal emigration (BTW, Mexican aren't the only nationality that emigrate here illegally).
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