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I only 'spew' facts. Get yours straight, and I'll leave you alone.
American cities are more sprawled and their suburbs are more populated rather than their core cities.
Montreal Metropolitan Area - 3,824,221
Philadelphia Metropolitan Area - 6,034,678
Between 2005 and 2013, Philadelphia gained 89,884 residents. Between 2006 and 2011, Montreal gained 28,826 residents. It would seem Philadelphia is growing faster.
Yep, I believe I have already answered that in the previous post. I've lived in 6 countries throughout my life in Asia, Americas, and Europe, and I've found that people are much more fascinated by America's present development than its history. Most people in China or Germany, two places that I've lived, have very little interest in American history. Why should they be? Everyone has their own national and cultural history. If anything, foreigners are usually a lot more engaged when I talk about present-day politics or 20th century American history (such as America's involvement in WWII, the Korean War, and its impact on present-day relations with China and Germany - these topics usually elicit a lot more interest than America's founding history).
Exactly. I'm not arguing with you, so I don't know what you're trying to get at. Both US and Canadian History is young compared to Asia, Africa and Europe. However, US vs. Canadian history, most would find US history more interesting.
I'm not downplaying Montreal's history. However...
The creation of the United States of America vs. playing a part in the History of Canada. You tell me what the majority of people would have more interest in.
You're running into the problem of viewing Americans as "normal people", but when you're talking tourism you need a more global perspective. I'm sure what you say is true for Americans who will have grown up learning about Philadelphia in school and are already very familiar with her stories coming into a trip to that city, but it's not necessarily true for your average potential foreign tourist. Optimistically, maybe they've heard the word "liberty bell" in some American movie but have no idea what it's relevance is and don't understand why Philadelphia is historically important other the that it was a large early American city. For them, they may find Montreal more of an enjoyable "historical" experience just based on how intact and well preserved old Montreal is and based on how well the history is presented and taught by museums and other deliberate historical programming. You need to present your history as an experience, you can't assume people are already familiar with it because even within Anglophone countries people's knowledge of Philadelphia's history is not particularly strong, that knowledge is quite specific to the US itself, and there's nothing inherently more interesting about America's story then Canada's if both are being presented for the first time. I mean, are you familiar with Montreal's history? It's fascinating, dynamic, and the constitutional implications of the city are within living memory, not the distant past.
American cities are more sprawled and their suburbs are more populated rather than their core cities.
Montreal Metropolitan Area - 3,824,221
Philadelphia Metropolitan Area - 6,034,678
Between 2005 and 2013, Philadelphia gained 89,884 residents. Between 2006 and 2011, Montreal gained 28,826 residents. It would seem Philadelphia is growing faster.
It'd be great if you could provide exact citations.
From a quick wiki search:
Montreal's metro population growth rate: +5.2% from 2006-2011
According to Statistics Canada, Montreal metro population grew from 3,635,556 in 2006 to 3,824,221 in 2011, or an absolute gain of +188,665 new residents in 5 years. So I'm not sure where you got the "28,826" from. Sorry to burst the bubble
I don't have comparable figures on Philadelphia in the same period, but I did find this March 2012 article from the Philadelphia Inquirer, titled "Census: Philadelphia population grows again, but rate slows":
Quote:
Indeed, the city’s population declined every year between 2000 and 2006, losing nearly 26,000 residents during the span. But since 2006, the city has added more than 64,000 people.
Read more at Census: Philadelphia population grows again, but rate slows
Exactly. I'm not arguing with you, so I don't know what you're trying to get at. Both US and Canadian History is young compared to Asia, Africa and Europe. However, US vs. Canadian history, most would find US history more interesting.
Except very few foreigners outside of North America would bother to "pitch" American history against Canadian history to see which one is more interesting. Most visitors to your city just want to have a good time experiencing the city as it is present-day, not some textbook history lecture asking people if "our history" is more interesting than "their history" - if I were a first-time visitor and someone asked me that question, that alone would yield a first impression of insecurity, as if one needs to justify the "interestingness" of their history by pitching it against a neighboring country's history. Somewhat petty, don't you think?
You're running into the problem of viewing Americans as "normal people", but when you're talking tourism you need a more global perspective. I'm sure what you say is true for Americans who will have grown up learning about Philadelphia in school and are already very familiar with her stories coming into a trip to that city, but it's not necessarily true for your average potential foreign tourist. Optimistically, maybe they've heard the word "liberty bell" in some American movie but have no idea what it's relevance is and don't understand why Philadelphia is historically important other the that it was a large early American city. For them, they may find Montreal more of an enjoyable "historical" experience just based on how intact and well preserved old Montreal is and based on how well the history is presented and taught by museums and other deliberate historical programming. You need to present your history as an experience, you can't assume people are already familiar with it because even within Anglophone countries people's knowledge of Philadelphia's history is not particularly strong, that knowledge is quite specific to the US itself, and there's nothing inherently more interesting about America's story then Canada's if both are being presented for the first time. I mean, are you familiar with Montreal's history? It's fascinating, dynamic, and the constitutional implications of the city are within living memory, not the distant past.
And Philadelphia's history is still very intact and well presented as well. Old City and Society Hill are the most intact and historical neighborhoods in the entire United States. I wasn't considering Americans as "normal people." I was considering the average international tourist when making my claim. Even then, the majority would be more interested in the History of a world superpower.
And Philadelphia's history is still very intact and well presented as well. Old City and Society Hill are the most intact and historical neighborhoods in the entire United States. I wasn't considering Americans as "normal people." I was considering the average international tourist when making my claim. Even then, the majority would be more interested in the History of a world superpower.
Still waiting on your response to the census numbers posted in your previous post, and your citations for "Montreal grows slower than Philadelphia". For a poster with your level of reputation on CD, I was expecting a more encompassing response.
It'd be great if you could provide exact citations.
From a quick wiki search:
Montreal's metro population growth rate: +5.2% from 2006-2011
According to Statistics Canada, Montreal metro population grew from 3,635,556 in 2006 to 3,824,221 in 2011, or an absolute gain of +188,665 new residents in 5 years. So I'm not sure where you got the "28,826" from.
I don't have comparable figures on Philadelphia in the same period, but I did find this March 2012 article from the Philadelphia Inquirer, titled "Census: Philadelphia population grows again, but rate slows":
Sorry, the population numbers were for city proper.
Except very few foreigners outside of North America would bother to "pitch" American history against Canadian history to see which one is more interesting. Most visitors to your city just want to have a good time experiencing the city as it is present-day, not some textbook history lecture asking people if "our history" is more interesting than "their history" - if I were a first-time visitor and someone asked me that question, that alone would yield a first impression of insecurity, as if one needs to justify the "interestingness" of their history by pitching it against a neighboring country's history. Somewhat petty, don't you think?
Then your argument is with the wrong person. I responded to a post that said Montreal was the city that had "History" in a list of things that Philadelphia does not. I was simply arguing that this is definitely not the case.
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Still waiting on your response to the census numbers posted in your previous post, and your citations for "Montreal grows slower than Philadelphia". For a poster with your level of reputation on CD, I was expecting a more encompassing response.
I responded. If you want to look at Metropolitan areas, the majority of Census data is done every 10 years in the US.
From 2000 to 2010, Philadelphia's Metropolitan Area grew from 5,687,147 to 5,965,343 for a total of 278,196. The 2012 population number was estimated to be at 6,034,678 for a gain of 69,335 in two years.
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