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But what's wrong with that? Its not cabasse's fault that his local source is more complete.
what is wrong with it is that it is not uniform.
At least the DATA from the firms use set criteria for all cities.
What is right about comparing buildings of a certain size in business districts for all other cities but for one city include every last building in the city, including stand alone buildings regardless of size??
I didn't say it was his fault, but it doesn't fit in with the uniform source
I have not looked at them, but I am sure they are doing the same thing that the ATL source is doing, ie including every building even those not in a business district. Not very uniform and can't be compared with the Grubb Ellis list
^true. the colliers report is definitely sufficient, and sets the cutoff size at no less than 10k square feet which is a pretty good size. (and would exclude things like houses converted to office space)
dt+mt atl still a respectable 50m in about 350 total buildings. very few, if any, of those are going to be far outside the central core(s) of midtown and downtown. atl's innermost neighborhoods aren't built that way - they're almost entirely residential with a bit of retail.
At least the DATA from the firms use set criteria for all cities.
What is right about comparing buildings of a certain size in business districts for all other cities but for one city include every last building in the city, including stand alone buildings regardless of size??
I didn't say it was his fault, but it doesn't fit in with the uniform source
yeah, that's a great point.
Ive stated this several times, I wish they'd conduct a census of sorts for all office space.
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I have not looked at them, but I am sure they are doing the same thing that the ATL source is doing, ie including every building even those not in a business district
I think by now we are aware that in every city except New York, most offices are located outside of the CBD.
^true. the colliers report is definitely sufficient, and sets the cutoff size at no less than 10k square feet which is a pretty good size. (and would exclude things like houses converted to office space)
dt+mt atl still a respectable 50m in about 350 total buildings. very few, if any, of those are going to be far outside the central core(s) of midtown and downtown. atl's innermost neighborhoods aren't built that way - they're almost entirely residential with a bit of retail.
yeah 50M is huge when compared to other cities.
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yeah, that's a great point.
Ive stated this several times, I wish they'd conduct a census of sorts for all office space.
I think by now we are aware that in every city except New York, most offices are located outside of the CBD.
that would be a pain. Like Cabasse hinted at, there are lots of offices around that are houses converted into offices.
San Antonio is notorious for that.
tons of Law, medical, dental etc offices are converted single family homes.
San Antonio's downtown market space is 4M and the total for the metro is 20M, if you count every darn house turned office in the city I bet they could rack up a 100M in office space, but really?? is that really an office market if I see my clients in my back yard???
I don't know if this is really a "versus" thing in itself, but it could spawn some good "versus" discussion. This is in millions of square feet of office space.
Midtown Manhattan - 200.2
Washington D.C. - 131.7
Chicago - 131.5
Toronto - 88.7
Downtown Manhattan - 87.3
San Francisco - 83.2
Midtown South Manhattan - 71.8
Boston - 59.2
Atlanta - 56.9
Seattle - 52.5
Montreal - 49.4
Philadelphia - 41.5
And just for laughs and giggles, since I've noticed there are a couple of big downtown San Jose boosters on this forum who shall go unnamed, let's look at downtown San Jose's office inventory:
As for what I said about San Jose, it was only said as a response to some of the delusional SJ homers around here who think SJ has an impressive downtown.
I agree that San Jose has the worst downtown, period. It's too small, dead and boring with no life once so ever. The cost of living is a rip off, too!
i wouldn't doubt that houston (and probably dallas as well) have more space in fewer, larger office towers, while atl probably has less space in the largest buildings but makes up for it with things like lofts converted to office in some of the very-near districts basically touching midtown/downtown, like on tech's campus, just north and west of it, in castleberry hill and edgewood just east of the freeway.
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