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Its funny that New Orleans, Baltimore, ATL and other small cities make the top 20 but Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, and San Jose are the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th largest cities in the US and non of them make it in the top 20 for employment.
Keep in mind tho, these numbers are from 2000, so things may have changed in some areas
Good to see Dallas ranked among its true peers and competition.
City of San Francisco 112,538,897 sq ft.
Oakland/ East Bay 110,794,065 sq ft.
San Jose-Silicon Valley 107,835, 489 sq ft.
San Francisco Peninsula/San Mateo 48,442,203 sq ft.
Sonoma County 10,656,684 sq ft.
Marin County 8,786,633 sq ft.
Solano County 4,254,616 sq ft. Bay Area Total 403,308,587 sq ft.
But what's wrong with that? Its not cabasse's fault that his local source is more complete. And I think if any city came close to 1 Billion it would be New York and LA since they have the most people who work in offices.
It seems to me that many of these reports focus only on buildings they want to lease.
LOL. You had to go and create your own list to boost the bay area. So let me see, your numbers are around 400,000,000 more than what the major publications indicate for the bay area. LOL!
Good to see Dallas ranked among its true peers and competition.
lol, you are evil.
So Miami and ATL are not DFW's peers?? They are ranked higher.
By the way this is for a combination of Downtowns for certain cities.
For Example
SF+ SJ+Oakland
Dallas + FW
Minn + St Paul
so it makes Small single center metros like Baltimore and New Orleans look even better when matched up with areas like DFW.
It is odd that they combined the Bay as a metro but didn't for DC and Baltimore
Funny how all of Htown's posts mysteriously have Dallas way at the bottom and Houston at the top. I think its impossible to get an accurate number of Class A office space and it seems to vary.
Despite high vacancy rates, they are dropping faster than anywhere in the country: Dallas-Fort Worth
SO the things I posted may not be correct but your numbers seem a little mysterious... I will be the first to admit Dallas' downtown is smaller than Houston's, but as a metro area I am just not sure. Look, Houston doesnt beat Dallas in everything, get over it
That list you responded to is extremely incorrect. Pittsburgh downtown soars during business hours to almost 200k. Indianapolis Downtown Pop goes to approx. 110k and downtowndenver.com has their downtown population at 110k. His source is highly flawed.
Land Area is definitely off, if he's referring to just the "financial area" of a city's downtown, it's still off, if it's entire CBD then it's way off.
Can you find a more accurate list then?
Cause right now, I'm satisfied seeing Atlanta, DC, BMore and NOLA on the lists...
Maybe your list will also have Phoenix on there! Then I'll be all smiles!
Funny how all of Htown's posts mysteriously have Dallas way at the bottom and Houston at the top. I think its impossible to get an accurate number of Class A office space and it seems to vary.
SO the things I posted may not be correct but your numbers seem a little mysterious... I will be the first to admit Dallas' downtown is smaller than Houston's, but as a metro area I am just not sure. Look, Houston doesnt beat Dallas in everything, get over it
1. Take it up with Grubb Ellis and the other agencies making up these lists. Crying to me does no good, I did not make them. In fact the DFW numbers were from Dallaz, not me
2. The employment numbers are not how many people working in the metro it is the people who work DTD combined with the people working DTFW. Again researchers independent of DFW or Houston did the research, so if you think DFW was short changed go to them.
Cause right now, I'm satisfied seeing Atlanta, DC, BMore and NOLA on the lists...
Maybe your list will also have Phoenix on there! Then I'll be all smiles!
Phoenix is on the list I posted, I just didn't post the entire list. Phoenix is at 44
21 Portland 79,600 1.04 76,500
22 Detroit 78,600 1.41 55,700
23 Cincinnati 73,900 0.71 104,100
24 St. Louis 72,800 1.73 42,100
25 Sacramento 64,800 1.26 51,400
26 Milwaukee 64,100 1.66 38,600
27 Hartford 62,200 1.41 44,100
28 San Diego 61,800 1.24 49,800
29 Richmond 60,900 1.54 39,500
30 Indianapolis 57,900 1.47 39,400
31 San Antonio 55,100 1.37 40,200
32 Charlotte 52,800 0.73 72,300
33 Louisville 51,700 1.13 45,800
34 Jacksonville 51,300 1.68 30,500
35 Honolulu 50,600 0.75 67,500
36 Nashville 46,900 0.81 57,900
37 Kansas City 46,700 0.98 47,700
38 Salt Lake City 42,900 1.07 40,100
39 Orlando 42,500 1.30 32,700
40 Tampa-St. Petersburg 36,000 0.75 48,000
41 Rochester 33,900 0.68 49,900
42 Las Vegas 30,800 0.58 53,100
43 Buffalo 29,000 0.38 76,300
44 Phoenix 26,800
45 Dayton 26,200
46 Virginia Beach 26,100
47 Providence 24,300
48 Memphis 18,200
49 Oklahoma City 16,400
50 Tucson 9,700
Last edited by HtownLove; 11-25-2011 at 06:30 PM..
1. Take it up with Grubb Ellis and the other agencies making up these lists. Crying to me does no good, I did not make them. In fact the DFW numbers were from Dallaz, not me
2. The employment numbers are not how many people working in the metro it is the people who work DTD combined with the people working DTFW. Again researchers independent of DFW or Houston did the research, so if you think DFW was short changed go to them.
1. Take it up with Grubb Ellis and the other agencies making up these lists. Crying to me does no good, I did not make them. In fact the DFW numbers were from Dallaz, not me
2. The employment numbers are not how many people working in the metro it is the people who work DTD combined with the people working DTFW. Again researchers independent of DFW or Houston did the research, so if you think DFW was short changed go to them.
sorry I didn't specify what I was posting. that was not Phoenix's business space, it is their downtown workforce.
so they have 2000 more people working downtown than Providence. Well they had in 2000
Yes, those numbers did seem low for sq footage, that seems right though.
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it is the people who work DTD combined with the people working DTFW. Again researchers independent of DFW or Houston did the research, so if you think DFW was short changed go to them.
