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I think it's reasonable to consider moving the west boundary further west to Ogden, at least as far south as 290. With the construction boom-- with many office buildings -- in the West Loop, it's de facto becoming a part of Chicago's business district. It's also literally named "West Loop".
I think they still operate somewhat separately as the freeways and the blocks directly next to it mean less foot traffic than would otherwise be there from the intense development.
Chicago defines the northern border of the 'CBD' as far north as Division. Extending from the lake, east to Lasalle then down to Chicago Ave. west to Halsted. For zoning purposes all the way west to Ashland has been recognized as 'downtown.' With the unreal growth transpiring in Fulton Market, it will undoubtedly become part of the CBD perhaps as far west as Damen in the future.
Fulton Market's hyper-boom could even potentially spill-over to finally facilitate development of the area around the United Center that could tie-in to the IMD's aspirations to transform the surrounding area where zoning has been significantly increased.
The Pritzker Pavilion is clearly designed as an amphitheater, but doesn't the other band shell have seating?
Not permanent for the Petrillo shell in Grant Park. To get past not allowed to build buildings in Grant Park. It had to become a temporary structure and able to be disassembled. It never was disassembled since the new one was built in the 1978.
The seating is of folding chairs. It has the incline toward the stage to be a amphitheater and its great lawn can have 35,000.
You're correct that what is labeled as "Downtown" in this map within "Greater Downtown DC" and "Center City DC" is smaller than Center City Philadelphia.
Using the google measure distance tool, the western border of that picture for "Downtown" appears to be 15th St NW next to the White House. The eastern border of that picture appears to be 1st St NE next to Union Station. The distance between them is 1.32 miles.
The northern border of that picture for "Downtown" is Massachusetts Ave. NW and the southern border is Constitution Ave. NW. The distance between them changes because the shape is not square or rectangle, but the longest distance (Thomas Circle), it's 1 mile and at its shortest distance (Union Station), it's 0.4 miles.
The "Center City DC" map is around 4.3 miles from top (Logan Circle) to bottom (Poplar Point) and about 3.45 miles east (Union Market) to west (Foggy Bottom). The ballpark measurement of that area is around (obviously not exact) 14.8 sq. miles. The important thing to think about here is a huge area being left out to the east of Logan Circle and north of downtown in Shaw that is developing to be DC's version of University City around Howard University.
Shaw and Howard University all the way to Washington Hospital Center has a massive building boom happening that will extend the sea of 10-15 story buildings miles north and east.
What are the downtown office environment updates for April 2022? How many people have returned to their offices? DC still has rising vacancy which is driving even more office conversion:
A Philly multi-family developer that specializes in office-to-residential conversion just bought two office buildings in DC totaling over 700,000 sq. feet.
That makes 9 office-to-residential conversions downtown right now. At this rate, downtown DC may lead in apartment housing delivery over the next decade which not a single person in the world could have predicted. It's just crazy to think that COVID got us here. New construction in NOMA, Northwest One, Union Market, Navy Yard, and Buzzard Point has lead new housing construction for years. I think downtown DC has a chance to surpass the 2010-2020 multi-family boom seen in other neighborhoods with so much vacant office conversion potential. Exciting times!
Golden Triangle/Midtown Office-to-Residential Conversions
If you mean the office core might be tops, that could be. Many cities don't build a lot of housing in their office cores.
If you mean "greater downtowns" then you're up against places that can add tens of thousands of units in theory and have done so before. Think places with high demand, lots of underused sites remaining, and the ability to not build much parking in new projects.
Greater Downtown Seattle, a gerrymandered four square miles or so, had 8,000 units underway when I did a napkin count the other day. It's a fairly normal number as high demand has continued after a brief 2020 drop.
If you mean the office core might be tops, that could be. Many cities don't build a lot of housing in their office cores.
If you mean "greater downtowns" then you're up against places that can add tens of thousands of units in theory and have done so before. Think places with high demand, lots of underused sites remaining, and the ability to not build much parking in new projects.
Greater Downtown Seattle, a gerrymandered four square miles or so, had 8,000 units underway when I did a napkin count the other day. It's a fairly normal number as high demand has continued after a brief 2020 drop.
Yeah theres definitly a few cities that have the potential to pop off hard.
Pittsburgh and Baltimore imho are dark horses in this current DT arms race. Both are seeing silly amounts of apartment conversions in their historic cores as of late with zero let up in momentum.
I enjoy Pittsburgh and Baltimore. But are they going to build tens of thousands of housing units in 3-5 square miles in this decade? That's hard to imagine.
I enjoy Pittsburgh and Baltimore. But are they going to build tens of thousands of housing units in 3-5 square miles in this decade? That's hard to imagine.
I'm not to familar with Pittsburgh housing construction metrics so I wont shoot from the hip on that.
Baltimore on the other hand is on track to build 20-25k units this upcoming decade, most of which would fit within said 3-5 square mile "box". Theres over to 2000 units U/C or breaking ground within a 1 1/2 mile radius of Pratt & Charles atm.
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