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I was talking about in terms of cultural influence. I wasn't talking about economics, GDP, Business, etc.
So am I. For the talk about headquarters and such, a lot of the big decisions which dictate where the cultural industry moves are made by analysts and executives are made in NYC and you can't escape the cultural milieu of where you live and work. The rest of my post was directly related to the industries themselves. However, I did fail to mention that LA is by far the largest producer in pornography and that's nothing to snark at it because it is a truly huge and global industry.
LA can compete on every level except journalism and broadcasting. Food, Fashion, Music, Sports, Criminality
Mexican food does not count as a "Los Angeles cultural influence." Los Angeles is not even close to New York when it comes to fashion influence. Cosmo, Vogue, and InStyle are all New York-based publications. Then there's music. New York started Hip Hop so that's a slam dunk for the Big City. And the New York Yankees were the world's most valuable sports franchise in 2011 (not to mention the fact that the Yankee fitted is by far more popular than any LA paraphenalia). So I'll throw in "criminality" for Los Angeles and we can all give this a rest.
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Once again, if it's pop-culture, and the distribution of that type of popularity, and influence, it would be foolish to think LA couldn't compete with NY.
So we're going from "cultural influence" to "pop-culture" now?
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If we're talking about more than just "High-culture" and if go into the realm of "Cultural influence" than he has a point.
Again, the city of New York gets much more exposure than Los Angeles whether it's through NBC Nightly News, the New York Times, Vogue Magazine, Time Out New York, Jay-Z albums, Sex and the City, etc. There's a reason why it's consistently the most visited city in the country.
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Mexican food does not count as a "Los Angeles cultural influence." Los Angeles is not even close to New York when it comes to fashion influence. Cosmo, Vogue, and InStyle are all New York-based publications. Then there's music. New York started Hip Hop so that's a slam dunk for the Big City. And the New York Yankees were the world's most valuable sports franchise in 2011 (not to mention the fact that the Yankee fitted is by far more popular than any LA paraphenalia). So I'll throw in "criminality" for Los Angeles and we can all give this a rest.
So we're going from "cultural influence" to "pop-culture" now?
Again, the city of New York gets much more exposure than Los Angeles whether it's through NBC Nightly News, the New York Times, Vogue Magazine, Time Out New York, Jay-Z albums, Sex and the City, etc. There's a reason why it's consistently the most visited city in the country.
Clearly you've mixed up cultural influence with city-visitation. I guess Orlando has more cultural influence than both NY and LA. You brought up the Yankee Fitted and Jay-Z, well my argument was never AGAINST NYC, it was more FOR LA. I never denied that the Yankees and NY fashion and Hip-Hop didn't influence the world, I was more stating things that have taken place and or come from LA that have been just as culturally influential on the world on a WIDE margin.
If you wanna talk sports, Kobe is the most famous NBA player globally, and his fame brings international awareness to the Lakers franchise. NYC may be the mecca of basketball, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers were more recognizable worldwide than the Knicks or Nets. NBC Nightly News? New York Times? I clearly stated WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JOURNALISM, AND BROADCASTING.
At the end of the day, Hollywood is super-influential. Even to the point if a movie is filmed in NY, by an NY movie company, featuring NY actors and NY directors, it's still gonna be put under the the career umbrella term of "Hollywood". And in terms of fashion, NYC is the number 1 fashion city in the world. But having said that, fashion goes beyond the realms of the runway, and is also about daily wear. LA's influence on casual fashion is pretty huge. The casual fashion seems more practical and easier to come by than what's ripping the runways.
Clearly you've mixed up cultural influence with city-visitation. I guess Orlando has more cultural influence than both NY and LA. You brought up the Yankee Fitted and Jay-Z, well my argument was never AGAINST NYC, it was more FOR LA. I never denied that the Yankees and NY fashion and Hip-Hop didn't influence the world, I was more stating things that have taken place and or come from LA that have been just as culturally influential on the world on a WIDE margin.
If you wanna talk sports, Kobe is the most famous NBA player globally, and his fame brings international awareness to the Lakers franchise. NYC may be the mecca of basketball, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers were more recognizable worldwide than the Knicks or Nets. NBC Nightly News? New York Times? I clearly stated WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JOURNALISM, AND BROADCASTING.
At the end of the day, Hollywood is super-influential. Even to the point if a movie is filmed in NY, by an NY movie company, featuring NY actors and NY directors, it's still gonna be put under the the career umbrella term of "Hollywood". And in terms of fashion, NYC is the number 1 fashion city in the world. But having said that, fashion goes beyond the realms of the runway, and is also about daily wear. LA's influence on casual fashion is pretty huge. The casual fashion seems more practical and easier to come by than what's ripping the runways.
How has he mixed up cultural influence with city visitation? I'm not seeing that anywhere in his post.
The exception of journalism and broadcasting is still a lot, but you weren't on the level with some of the other fields either. Certainly Hollywood is influential--film and television are where LA clearly has a leg up. It is in all other fields where NYC dominates. As for fashion, it's not just high fashion dominated by New York, but casual wear is heavily influenced by NYC as well.
LA competes well in some levels and has a strong point with film and television, but overall, NYC is stronger and wins in more categories.
my argument was never AGAINST NYC, it was more FOR LA.
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NYC's the center of American Culture? Not where I and alot of Americans are from.
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LA is second to none, not even NYC for culture.
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He has a point. If we're talking about more than just "High-culture" and if go into the realm of "Cultural influence" than he has a point.
Right.
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I never denied that the Yankees and NY fashion and Hip-Hop didn't influence the world, I was more stating things that have taken place and or come from LA that have been just as culturally influential on the world on a WIDE margin.
How has he mixed up cultural influence with city visitation? I'm not seeing that anywhere in his post.
The exception of journalism and broadcasting is still a lot, but you weren't on the level with some of the other fields either. Certainly Hollywood is influential--film and television are where LA clearly has a leg up. It is in all other fields where NYC dominates. As for fashion, it's not just high fashion dominated by New York, but casual wear is heavily influenced by NYC as well.
LA competes well in some levels and has a strong point with film and television, but overall, NYC is stronger and wins in more categories.
And I agree. NYC influences the country greater. But by that token you'd expect it to get bashed harder, for Madison Avenue, for Wall Street, for shallow fashion industry trends, for the devolution of political discourse in broadcast news... But "Hollywood" and long-distance conceptions of Los Angeles are the easier targets.
And I agree. NYC influences the country greater. But by that token you'd expect it to get bashed harder, for Madison Avenue, for Wall Street, for shallow fashion industry trends, for the devolution of political discourse in broadcast news... But "Hollywood" and long-distance conceptions of Los Angeles are the easier targets.
Did you not hear about the Occupy Wall Street protests?
Did you not hear about the Occupy Wall Street protests?
That was national, and nobody was concentrating their wrath on the city itself, and by extension its residents, the way other cities get falsely totalized, like L.A., DC, SF, even Chicago.
That was national, and nobody was concentrating their wrath on the city itself, and by extension its residents, the way other cities get falsely totalized, like L.A., DC, SF, even Chicago.
Who concentrates their wrath on Los Angeles? "Hollywood" is often just a reference to big time media execs. People could not care less about what people in Los Angeles are doing.
Now San Francisco is a different story. There are a lot of people in America who truly loathe its "way of life."
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