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Originally Posted by polo89
Grills, Donks, Box Chevy's are one thing, but that doesn't make or break one's "Southerness". NoVa felt more "traditionally Southern" in ways Miami never could. Car culture and urban Southern culture are late-20th century nouveau cultural phenomenons. Even in Miami, all of that is uniquely associated with Miami culture moreso than a traditionally widespread Southern culture(well, except for the grills). Black Southern culture is so far beyond gold, fronts, cars, etc.
As someone from MD who works in NoVa and still finds VA to be a Southern state as a whole, I don't find much of traditional South in NoVa at all. I don't know what feel you're talking about. Arlington feels in most places like a mid-Atantic combination of New Jersey without the Itailians and Maryland. The buildings looks like it, it's dense and walkable with transit everywhere and cold half the year. On the very far reaches of NoVa out in Manassas or Stafford you could say there are traces, but the rest of it is just Eastern American suburbia IMO. Growing up 25-30 years ago I would be more inclined to say NoVa had traces of the traditional South, but everything has been pushed out much further now.
As someone from MD who works in NoVa and still finds VA to be a Southern state as a whole, I don't find much of traditional South in NoVa at all. I don't know what feel you're talking about. Arlington feels in most places like a mid-Atantic combination of New Jersey without the Itailians and Maryland. The buildings looks like it, it's dense and walkable with transit everywhere and cold half the year. On the very far reaches of NoVa out in Manassas or Stafford you could say there are traces, but the rest of it is just Eastern American suburbia IMO. Growing up 25-30 years ago I would be more inclined to say NoVa had traces of the traditional South, but everything has been pushed out much further now.
I agree with this. Places like Stafford and Leesburg do have a bit of a southern feel and culture, but as yuou mentioned they are kind of the exception now.
The NY Influence in SoFlo has significantly declined ... I can attest to that.
I couldn't agree more. It's been replaced by nouveau Florida/International hybrid cultures. Some of which may include Southern culture. But overall an amalgamation of alot of outside influences. This poll could be a tie. And that wouldn't be wrong. I don't know..
I'm not saying that they do myself, I'm just saying that their presence often causes others to do so. Which I don't blame, because Hispanics are absent within many depictions of the South. Not only that, the Hispanics in Houston and Dallas are Mexicans from NorMex, a trait only found elsewhere in the SW US.
No, it's more that many people think of the South in the stereotypical, "Gone With The Wind" sense. Hispanics are pretty much absent in that depiction, and because of their sheer presence in Dallas and Houston, people often don't view those cities as "traditionally Southern."
Indeed, if I walk around Houston right now, it feels more like a "Gulf Coast version" of Los Angeles, demographics-wise. Apart from climate and scenery, there's none of that old-timey "Southern" charm to be seen.
So, it's sort of an enigma. Many people are arguing against NoVa's southerness on basis of cultural change from NE US transplants. And so, on that note, I don't see how a similar case can't be made for Houston, Dallas, and Miami with their Hispanic populations.
Gone with the Wind? Do people know what year it is??? Things have changed. Yep, they sure have. I hear they let the "coloured folks" sit with the "hwite folks" at the Waffle House now!
My fiance is a Texan from Mexican roots. His family has lived in Texas for generations. His grandmother was born in Uvalde, Texas and makes sweet tea out in the sun just like many other grandmothers in the South. The South is a big ass region and has a lot of diversity. It's not some shallow Hollywood stereotype.
Gone with the Wind? Do people know what year it is??? Things have changed. Yep, they sure have. I hear they let the "coloured folks" sit with the "hwite folks" at the Waffle House now!
My fiance is a Texan from Mexican roots. His family has lived in Texas for generations. His grandmother was born in Uvalde, Texas and makes sweet tea out in the sun just like many other grandmothers in the South. The South is a big ass region and has a lot of diversity. It's not some shallow Hollywood stereotype.
Exactly lol. I really don't think the "Hispanics=not Southern" thing makes any sense. Nor do I think most younger people think like that
You can get from Miami to the Bahamas in a couple of hours by boat. Cuba is also only 90miles from Key West. Miami/SoFla is closer to the caribbean than it is to the Georgia boarder. You can get from Houston or Dallas to Mexico by bus in a few hours. Literally, get a passport hop on a greyhound and get to the boarder in a few Hours. Other Southern states don't have such easy access to other countries the way that Miami, Dallas and Houston do. And this proximity largely effects the overall culture of these cities. This is unique to Texas and Florida.
I'm 5 hours from the Canadian border. Does this make Minnesota less Midwestern?
Houston and Dallas are still major cities with Hispanic pluralities. The suburbs are also filled with Hispanics
Hispanics which are just as Americanised as anyone else. One of the thickest southern twangs I've heard came from an old Mexican man named Jose in Denton, Texas. Not that you need a southern twang to be a southerner, but it sure don't hurt
Even the immigrants from Mexico, they do assimilate into US life, and what region do you think influences them the most? New England???
I have a feeling you're not that familiar with either Miami or Ft Lauderdale
I've been to Ft. Lauderdale 5 times and it felt nothing like New York or New Jersey
I’ve come to the same conclusion on just about every post regarding South Florida. I’ve been to Fort Lauderdale ten times, and most of that has been in the last 5 years. I’ve only been to Miami twice once was for a specific event and once just flying in and out to go to Key West (which had a Southern vibe to me).
Fort Lauderdale is sort of hard to pin down. Most of the people I interact with when I’m down there are other people on vacation and most of the people I meet that live there moved there recently, but even from that I haven’t noticed them to be overwhelming from the Northeast. They come from all over, and I’ve met a lot of Europeans there too.
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