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I always enjoy that drive. I was a bit surprised that the outer parts of Chicago didn't have much of that feel; knew there'd be a difference but still. The drop from downtown seems big.
Every city eventually has a drop off point even NYC. Here's a photo I shot from the North just as I was entering into the Bronx on my way from New Rochelle. New Rochelle has development but nothing like the Bronx. One could use the Central Park arguement but Central Park is not the outer city limit marker line for the drop off of development. (Chicago also has Grant Park with no highrise within it) There are outer parts NYC that begin to drop off that didn't have much of a feel. Here are some illustrations showing some of the outer parts of NYC. Every city has outside areas that don't have much feel due to a lack of development not just in Chicago. I am familiar with NYC to know when it starts and stops as I travel in these cities a million times over. Keep in mind NYC is not Tokyo where the dense concrete jungle would sprawl beyond Manhattan or even Patterson,NJ because it's more vertically concentrated. American cities aren't like that.
On the NJ side with Newark in the background. You locals should know where this was shot from but I'll let you guess the route.
I would say Chicago is definitely more dirty, though I still don't know what it has to do with the topic.
Italian cities are filthy compared to German cities. Anyone here want to claim that German cities are more attractive than Italian cities?
Also, I think this is a real City-Data specific thread. City-Data is based in Chicago, and its biggest base is Chicagoland. If you asked the typical "man on the street" in the U.S. if Chicagoland was a beautiful place, I think you would get some strange looks. A great city, yes, but a beautiful city?
Illinois is largely flat, treeless and featureless, and Chicagoland is pretty much like this. The Midwest isn't exactly known for natural beauty. Most of Chicago looks typical Rust Belt, with factories, railyards, truck terminals, bungalows, billboards, highways, and the like. A great town, but only on City-Data would this be a sober discussion.
The thread is on the city specific not the overall region (which IMO NYC would win easily). Although I haven't been to Chicago much outside of downtown, I'd be surprised if it were definitely more dirty than NYC. A lot of NYC is rather grimey and not exactly pretty:
I never said NYC didn't have a drop off point, but it drops off far less than Chicago. I drive past that New Rochelle / Bronx view about once a month.
A lot of cities have sensitive natural habitats that prohibit development. If you travel south of Chicago towards the Lake Calumet area you will find it there as well. I think it's good to have these kind of areas for all cities that can be used for parks as nature preserves.
Every city eventually has a drop off point even NYC. Here's a photo I shot from the North just as I was entering into the Bronx on my way from New Rochelle. New Rochelle has development but nothing like the Bronx. One could use the Central Park arguement but Central Park is not the outer city limit marker line for the drop off of development. (Chicago also has Grant Park with no highrise within it) There are outer parts NYC that begin to drop off that didn't have much of a feel. Here are some illustrations showing some of the outer parts of NYC. Every city has outside areas that don't have much feel due to a lack of development not just in Chicago. I am familiar with NYC to know when it starts and stops as I travel in these cities a million times over.
This map makes the difference between the two cities clear. Both cities reach suburban-style densities (lightest color) at roughly the same distance:
Well, I'm off to Harrisburg from Omaha. Frankly, I'm getting tired of traveling around the country. I just want to settle down. See everyone in a couple of days.
Well, I'm off to Harrisburg from Omaha. Frankly, I'm getting tired of traveling around the country. I just want to settle down. See everyone in a couple of days.
But closer in, NYC tends to be much denser. The most common colored density for Chicago is chiefly found in Eastern Queens for NYC.
I'm not disputing that NYC has less as it is common knowledge that it has the most density in the country. I was only pointing out that it has drop off of developed areas outside the city. All cities do
If you want to see more take my seat. I could use a break. However, I must be on my way. Until next time.
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