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Old 12-20-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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This is Epcot, not Paris.

My mistake, I changed the link. I was just giving examples of what I prefer a waterfront to look like.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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My mistake, I changed the link. I was just giving examples of what I prefer a waterfront to look like.
Sort of telling, though, in why you would make as strong a statement about DC's waterfront though. Like I said, it'd be good for you to get out of DC more often.

Also, figured I'd throw in a picture of a "water town" in Shanghai.



Not European, but similar pedestrian and water oriented urban design back from the days when that's basically how people get around. There are a lot more of these.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Great that we're talking about a European-style waterfront. I hear Europe has a lot of them as does a lot of the Americas. DC is not among the best in that group. Also, much of Shanghai's inner core was built by European powers especially much of the urban waterfront--there are other cities around the world like that, too.

Chicago's waterfront has been taking cues from San Antonio. It's been working on it since 1990, I think. There are other cities, of course.

I don't see how DC ranks so well with the ones you posted and there are dozens of cities (European-style!) that are nicer than DC's. Does that really qualify for one of the best in the world? Would anyone actually agree with you on that? Also, do you love Disney or what?
D.C.'s waterfront is not among any group of nice waterfront's. The waterfront doesn't exist yet. The entire conversation has been about the current development. I gave you a set of criteria I look for in a waterfront and D.C. is building that same kind. Where exactly is Chicago going to build the San Antonio style waterfront since you can't achieve that with skyscrapers? Is it going to be in the neighborhoods in Chicago? It doesn't work with skyscrapers.

As for Shanghai, that's great. I told you I have never been there. Could you provide some images so I can see what the structural build of those waterfront's are to compare to the European style? If so, Shanghai will be up there on my list of places to visit.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Sort of telling, though, in why you would make as strong a statement about DC's waterfront though. Like I said, it'd be good for you to get out of DC more often.

Also, figured I'd throw in a picture of a "water town" in Shanghai.



Not European, but similar pedestrian and water oriented urban design back from the days when that's basically how people get around. There are a lot more of these.

What is wrong with you? I swear, I don't even get what your issue is with my opinion? Do you see me attacking what you like? I can prefer my own style and you can prefer your own style. Also, if you're at work coming back and forth to this website on the fly, what were you expecting? I just googled some images to give you a visual example of what I was saying. I didn't do a thorough inspection of the images like I was writing a report for a publication. SMH..... Anyway, this whole discussion is pointless. You're trying to tell me what I should think which makes no sense and I really couldn't care less what anyone else thinks so what exactly are we doing?
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Sort of telling, though, in why you would make as strong a statement about DC's waterfront though. Like I said, it'd be good for you to get out of DC more often.

Also, figured I'd throw in a picture of a "water town" in Shanghai.



Not European, but similar pedestrian and water oriented urban design back from the days when that's basically how people get around. There are a lot more of these.
Looks nice.
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Old 12-20-2013, 10:01 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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What is wrong with you? I swear, I don't even get what your issue is with my opinion? Do you see me attacking what you like? I can prefer my own style and you can prefer your own style. Also, if you're at work coming back and forth to this website on the fly, what were you expecting? I just googled some images to give you a visual example of what I was saying. I didn't do a thorough inspection of the images like I was writing a report for a publication. SMH..... Anyway, this whole discussion is pointless. You're trying to tell me what I should think which makes no sense and I really couldn't care less what anyone else thinks so what exactly are we doing?
Guy, it's not a strke against you in particular. It's that the world is rather large. It may or may not br to US cities to realize this, but it does come to forefront when claims come regarding to the entire world.
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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D.C.'s waterfront is not among any group of nice waterfront's. The waterfront doesn't exist yet. The entire conversation has been about the current development. I gave you a set of criteria I look for in a waterfront and D.C. is building that same kind. Where exactly is Chicago going to build the San Antonio style waterfront since you can't achieve that with skyscrapers? Is it going to be in the neighborhoods in Chicago? It doesn't work with skyscrapers.

As for Shanghai, that's great. I told you I have never been there. Could you provide some images so I can see what the structural build of those waterfront's are to compare to the European style? If so, Shanghai will be up there on my list of places to visit.
Huh? They're building out their riverfront, along the river, grade separated stretching the whole length now of the main channel of the river. They're not trying to "copy" San Antonio. It might be the same concept, but it's just what realistically works in Chicago. I don't see why having skyscrapers nearby would change anything. Although it's strange to say it won't work with skyscrapers - if anything it will be much more awesome haing it set along the river (which is unusually clear and blue for the midwest, since most of the time it's clean lake water flowing into the river) in a canyon of glass highrises.

Some of the sections starting construction this spring:









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Old 12-22-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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[quote=Chicago60614;32707801]Huh? They're building out their riverfront, along the river, grade separated stretching the whole length now of the main channel of the river. They're not trying to "copy" San Antonio. It might be the same concept, but it's just what realistically works in Chicago. I don't see why having skyscrapers nearby would change anything. Although it's strange to say it won't work with skyscrapers - if anything it will be much more awesome haing it set along the river (which is unusually clear and blue for the midwest, since most of the time it's clean lake water flowing into the river) in a canyon of glass highrises.

Some of the sections starting construction this spring:[\QUOTE]


Because skyscrapers require a setback on the river. Notice there are no riverfront first floor building sidewalk cafés. Only pedestrian scale buildings right on the water can create the Venice or San Antonio waterfront. That's what I meant by you can't create it with skyscrapers.
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Old 12-22-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Huh? They're building out their riverfront, along the river, grade separated stretching the whole length now of the main channel of the river. They're not trying to "copy" San Antonio. It might be the same concept, but it's just what realistically works in Chicago. I don't see why having skyscrapers nearby would change anything. Although it's strange to say it won't work with skyscrapers - if anything it will be much more awesome haing it set along the river (which is unusually clear and blue for the midwest, since most of the time it's clean lake water flowing into the river) in a canyon of glass highrises.

Some of the sections starting construction this spring:

Because skyscrapers require a setback on the river. Notice there are no riverfront first floor building sidewalk cafés. Only pedestrian scale buildings right on the water can create the Venice or San Antonio waterfront. That's what I meant by you can't create it with skyscrapers. Those buildings would need to come right up to the water but they don't. They're setback.
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Old 12-22-2013, 05:46 PM
 
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Because skyscrapers require a setback on the river. Notice there are no riverfront first floor building sidewalk cafés. Only pedestrian scale buildings right on the water can create the Venice or San Antonio waterfront. That's what I meant by you can't create it with skyscrapers. Those buildings would need to come right up to the water but they don't. They're setback.
Wacker drive is between the riverwalk and any highrises. It's a double decker road and the lower level has cafes/restaurants built in already and planned on the future blocks.

These are existing places, the new 6 blocks to be built this summer are more involved than these. Those "frosted windows" in the renderings will be the restaurants/cafes/shops, they were just vague in the pictures, they were going more for the immediate waterfront areas.





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