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Old 04-14-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: The City
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Ballston to Metro Center is probably a more accurate comparison to Citi Field and Penn Station

D.C. Metro System

Ballston to Metro Center: $2.75

Travel Time: 15 minutes
Ballston to Metro center is 4 miles

Distance between Ballston, Arlington, VA, United States and Metro Center, 13th Street Northwest, Washington, DC, United States

Citi to Penn is ~ twice that distance in miles

Distance between Citi Field, Roosevelt Avenue, NY, United States and Penn Station, New York, NY, United States
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:20 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Ah, good link. That's a lot better than the google maps driving distances I was using for my post.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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So just looking at the link and other regional rail

Bryn Mawr PA to 30th Street is 9 miles

Rail time is short as 16 minutes on express and 23 minutes on locals

Headways can be as short as 7 minutes generally closer to 12-15 minutes at rush
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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So just looking at the link and other regional rail

Bryn Mawr PA to 30th Street is 9 miles

Rail time is short as 16 minutes on express and 23 minutes on locals

Headways can be as short as 7 minutes generally closer to 12-15 minutes at rush
I've never felt headways were as big a deal on commuter rail. Most people have a daily routine and simply show up at the station at a certain time.

The issue I have with Metro is that you have to sit there and endure countless stops. Once you're 20 miles outside of the Downtown core, the ride just gets to be too long with that many stops.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Yeah, I saw when I did Bing. East Falls Church is 8.19 miles. Citi Field to Penn Station is 7.8 mile's. This doesn't really matter anyway. You can't even take the train from Citi Field to Penn Station except game day's according to the trip planner. I tried to use 4:00 p.m. today and it's not running. This is apples and oranges.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I've never felt headways were as big a deal on commuter rail. Most people have a daily routine and simply show up at the station at a certain time.

The issue I have with Metro is that you have to sit there and endure countless stops. Once you're 20 miles outside of the Downtown core, the ride just gets to be too long with that many stops.

Commuter rail can only be used for work. Metro is used for daily life and suburb to suburb commuting 7 days a week. I think for many people, they don't understand why having a subway in the suburbs versus a commuter rail is important to urban life. Mass transit in the suburbs should not be for getting to work. It should be for getting around the region. It should give you an option to get anywhere you need to go as fast as possible living without a car. Without subway line's in the suburbs, you can't build highrise residential buildings in the suburbs and first floor retail like you find in the city. It's really very simple. The only way to make the suburbs more like the city is to build subway system's instead of commuter rail.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Commuter rail can only be used for work. Metro is used for daily life and suburb to suburb commuting 7 days a week.
LIRR runs on weekends.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:48 AM
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Commuter rail can only be used for work. Metro is used for daily life and suburb to suburb commuting 7 days a week.
Why would commuter be only useful for work?
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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LIRR runs on weekends.
I know, so does MARC. My point is, this is not about getting to work. This is about creating linear corridors where people can be choice car free households all across the region. High density high-rise's clusters radiating from the city center.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Commuter rail can only be used for work. Metro is used for daily life and suburb to suburb commuting 7 days a week. I think for many people, they don't understand why having a subway in the suburbs versus a commuter rail is important to urban life. Mass transit in the suburbs should not be for getting to work. It should be for getting around the region. It should give you an option to get anywhere you need to go as fast as possible living without a car. Without subway line's in the suburbs, you can't build highrise residential buildings in the suburbs and first floor retail like you find in the city. It's really very simple. The only way to make the suburbs more like the city is to build subway system's instead of commuter rail.
Most people don't want to build Tribeca in Massapequa. NYC already contains 42% of the total MSA population. It's not like DC where truly walkable, urban areas are lacking compared to the metro as a whole.

Besides, DC Metro shuts down, which means that 0% of the population has rail access for a significant part of the day.
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