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We will see how much of an outlier those are in the 2020 census. I will leave it at that.
Right, so you're banking on 2020 census, but there's nothing presented that would contradict what he says so by necessity you're going to have to wait and see and you by necessity will have to leave it at that.
No, but DTLA is more centrally located within its region. The Chicago Loop is on a lakefront.
Ok. I could see how Century City and Burbank sneak in that way. Still not sure about Westwood--the geographic heart is a good 13 miles from DTLA. Regardless, it's a boatload of jobs and humanity. I would love to do a job count of just Central LA and the Westside.
Central LA and the Westside combined would be a pretty large expanse. Not knocking that though as a polycentric layout can be pretty good.
Places like Reston today are averaging in the areas closer to the Silver line are closer to 3-6K and drop below that just outside; even if based on your link they add the 30K by 2050 (that was the long range plan based on your link earlier) they would be on average like 10-12K at a small peak - that gives way to less dense very quickly in 40 years
edit : my bad I did find a 52K and 44K ppsm that has about 5K people living in them and represent .2 sq miles combined; the area averages far closer to 8-11K and drops off really fast to 4K or less - they were the outliers - and represent .1% of the metro population.
Now again I think the plan and development is good but the numbers and sheer densities you discuss are outliers as best and don't portray any large portion of the area - that is my issue - not the development itself but how you describe it incorrectly
These are the most dense census tracts in the Rosslyn Ballston Corridor.
Census Tract 101403
47,691 per. sq. mile (5,609 people)
Census Tract 101701
44,245 per. sq. mile (4,166 people)
Census Tract 101802
39,743 per. sq. mile (6,072 people)
Census Tract 101404
35,570 per. sq. mile (4,255 people)
Census Tract 101702
33,622 per. sq. mile (4,965 people)
I don't know what point your trying to prove really. Over the next 20 years, this corridor will continue to grow with high-rise development.
Huh? The Rosslyn-Ballston corridor has census tracts in the 40k-50k people per square mile range and that will only increase with what is being built there. So does Silver Spring Md. In 20 years, all metro lines will be like that. Have you seen what is being built around the DC metro stations? Almost all growth will be funneled to metro stations by law here in the region. That's how Arlington Va got that way. Row house neighborhoods don't reach 40k-50k density unless they have high-rises mixed in which means they aren't rowhouse neighborhoods.
The last sentence is false, you can get 40-50k / sq mile without any high rises whatsoever. Rowhouses are possible but you're reaching, but if your rowhouses are two units (say the 4 story ones found in Brooklyn), you reach 50k and then some. A small tract of South Boston reaches 46k/sq mile:
The last sentence is false, you can get 40-50k / sq mile without any high rises whatsoever. Rowhouses are possible but you're reaching, but if your rowhouses are two units (say the 4 story ones found in Brooklyn), you reach 50k and then some. A small tract of South Boston reaches 46k/sq mile:
What's the socio economic status for that area? I apologize. I was talking about a young professional census tract reaching that level. You can get density with single family homes really. Look at L.A. Depends on who is living there.
What's the socio economic status for that area? I apologize. I was talking about a young professional census tract reaching that level. You can get density with single family homes really. Look at L.A. Depends on who is living there.
You can definitely get predominantly rowhouse neighborhoods with high density tracts with high socio-economic status. Park Slope is probably a prime example of that.
South Boston is a large mix where it was originally working class but has experienced significant gentrification in the past decade or two. If the 2010 census wasn't enough though, you can always wait for the 2020 census and just leave it at that.
Remind me which Philadelphia suburbs have densities of 20-30K? That's average SF city limits density...probably average Philly city limits density over much of the city. It's pretty undisputable that overall, CA suburbs are the most dense on average. SF's suburbs range from 5K (mostly around the Valley and in to Santa Clara County where San Jose is) to 11,000 ppsm (Berkeley) to 13,000 ppsm (Daly City) down to 3,200 ppsm (Walnut Creek way out in the East Bay). Having family in the Philly burbs, I find it very very hard to comprehend that they are any denser than the most dense suburban cities of the Bay Area, which don't really top 13,000 ppsm and rarely exceed 10,000 ppsm. Camden, NJ is less than 9,000 ppsm and is probably the most dense Philly suburb I can think of (it is essentially right across the river).
NYC has a lot of dense suburbs, but overall in its expansive MSA land area definitions, has a ton of super low density suburbs, as well (very typical for most of the country, especially the NE). The only 3 metro areas that actually maintain high density by American standards are the Bay Area, Los Angeles, and New York.
IDK if Philly has any burbs that reach 20-30k per-say, but there are definitely higher density burbs than Camden.
Camden is mostly a rundown, abandoned ghetto. Mostly abandoned buildings, rundown neighborhoods with tons of empty lots, and large surface parking lots in what is considered the "downtown." Camden certainly is built to be a much denser city, and at one time in history it was, and maybe one time it will be again in the future, but as of right now, no.
Some higher density and MUCH nicer burbs around Philly include:
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