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Louisville and Baltimore both had heavy manufacturing bases that attracted European immigrants.
Louisville and Baltimore were also large whiskey producers.
Louisville and Baltimore are both located in Census-designated southern states and share characteristics of places to the North and South of them.
You fail to distinguish one thing...Louisville has more characteristics of places that are to the south, Baltimore has more characteristics of places to the North. The end. This bickering is senseless. Soon you will be preaching how much more northern Atlanta is compared to Chicago. You think Philadelphia is half-Southern. What's next?
Really. So they don't have Southern accents, don't have Southern cuisine, and 1/5 of their population isn't Southern Baptist, and their entire history isn't Southern? I might give that Louisville has a Midwestern feel, and some other Midwestern influences, but it is a Southern city first.
1/5 are Baptist? Or southern Baptist? Big difference, especially if you compare Baptist churches in Louisville vs Birmingham. We have Baptist churches in northern Indiana, doesn't make it southern. Louisville is a mostly Catholic city, which is extremely rare throughout most of the south, I think that gives it strong midwestern ties.
mrfgsn you really are making yourself look quite silly by continuing this argument. BajanYankee seems to be winning this hands down, he seems like the only one with a level head, you're making all sorts of terrible analogies. No one is saying Atlanta is northern and Chicago is southern, where do you get this stuff?
Southern Indiana is actually pretty southern. Accents run rampant down there. You'll probably find more twang in the accents on the Indiana side in the smaller suburbs than you would from Louisville proper. That being said I agree, it's not even close to the same kind of southerness as a city like Birmingham or Jackson.
True; I've seen maps of the cultural South include small portions of Midwestern states (southern IN, IL, MO, etc.). But obviously a city that straddles a regional border will naturally have influences from both regions.
True; I've seen maps of the cultural South include small portions of Midwestern states (southern IN, IL, MO, etc.). But obviously a city that straddles a regional border will naturally have influences from both regions.
There's a wall on the northern bank of the Ohio River and along the Pennsylvania-Maryland border. This wall allows influences from the North to permeate it and influence the South, but it blocks the South from influencing the North. There cannot be any southern influences in "the North." Now way, no how.
It has also been said in a different thread that a northern state can never border a southern state.
mrfgsn you really are making yourself look quite silly by continuing this argument. BajanYankee seems to be winning this hands down, he seems like the only one with a level head, you're making all sorts of terrible analogies. No one is saying Atlanta is northern and Chicago is southern, where do you get this stuff?
Some posters were really hurt when I posted these quotes. I was accused of trying to make the city "look bad."
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Baltimore is a southern city. When I came here, Baltimore was as southern, if not more so, as my hometown of Chattanooga, Tennessee.
The glimmering glass pavilions, pyramid-shaped aquarium and spiffy red-brick downtown baseball park that today lure tourists by the millions to Baltimore's Inner Harbor were little more than blueprints on a developer's drawing board when, in 1970, I first left the sleepy Southern town of my birth.
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But it was only by leaving that I learned to appreciate the enduring (and endearing) eccentricities of Baltimore's distinctive neighborhoods. Only by moving north have I discovered just how deeply rooted in the South this mid-Atlantic city really is.
Washington, D.C., was a city of Southern culture, like Richmond. So was Baltimore. . . from a cultural point of view, until all the goddamned government workers moved in from strange, horrible Northern places like Ohio and Minnesota and took over.
Baltimore has been described as a sleepy southern town and a commercial-industrial center . . . With cities to the South, it shares longstanding trade routes, a relaxed pace of life, and and a history deeply informed by slavery and Jim Crow. With cities to the north it shares a history of industrialization (and deindustrializtion) along with the ethnic diversity that comes with being a major port of immigration.
True; I've seen maps of the cultural South include small portions of Midwestern states (southern IN, IL, MO, etc.). But obviously a city that straddles a regional border will naturally have influences from both regions.
mrfgsn you really are making yourself look quite silly by continuing this argument. BajanYankee seems to be winning this hands down, he seems like the only one with a level head, you're making all sorts of terrible analogies. No one is saying Atlanta is northern and Chicago is southern, where do you get this stuff?
I didn't ask for your opinion. You definitely have something ailing you, care to tell us what it is? I wassaying BajanYankee thinks Texas is not part of the South, Louisville is more Northern than Cincinnati or Baltimore. You tell me how he's winning that argument hands down. Anyone with common sense knows that neither Cincy or Baltimore are Southern or even an undistinguishable blend. Cincinnati certainly isn't.
I wonder if the Madrid fault goes...and for some strange geological reason...the Ohio River shifted north around Cincinnati and south around Louisville...would Cincy then be Southern and Louisville Northern?????
A question for mrfgsn to profoundly cogitate on. I'm sure his opinion will be the only one worth listening to....after all the rest of us can't possibly know what we are talking about.
For the rest of you...here is a well-written article on the subject.
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