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Old 10-11-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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My guesses were pretty much confirmed by this list. i was surprised how high SF was ranked, as every time I am there I feel like their transit systems are somewhat disjointed, and I would have thought this observation would translate to job accessibility. At first I was also somewhat surprised by LA ranking, but their bus system is pretty expansive and their rail system is getting better.
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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I would think DC would definitely be a lot higher, maybe even 2nd to NYC. With the addition of the Silver line, pretty much all the major job centers (Downtown DC, Bethesda, Tysons Corner, Silver Spring, etc) in the DC area are served by rail. I guess I can see SF, but definitely not LA.
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Old 10-12-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Downtown LA
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The entire list is invalid because... LA ranks high in it.

Same old story on this joke of a board.
Yup.

"This what I believe. Now let me find evidence to supports my prexisting notion and cast aside any evidence that does not."

Scientists, most forumers here are not.
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Old 10-12-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Yup.

"This what I believe. Now let me find evidence to supports my prexisting notion and cast aside any evidence that does not."

Scientists, most forumers here are not.


You could see this ranking coming a mile away.

1. LA has arguably the best bus network in the nation. No worse than #2.

1. LA ranks as one of the least gas-guzzling cities in the nation. This is a direct result the region's multi-node style.

America's Most Gas-Guzzling Cities - Forbes

More job centers = shorter commute lengths = easier access. That goes for people using transit too.

3. Rail is vastly superior to buses, but it's far less comprehensive, even at the city level. Most people don't live a block away from a train stop.

Put it all together, and it's easy to see why LA does well here.
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:43 AM
 
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You could see this ranking coming a mile away.

1. LA has arguably the best bus network in the nation. No worse than #2.

1. LA ranks as one of the least gas-guzzling cities in the nation. This is a direct result the region's multi-node style.

America's Most Gas-Guzzling Cities - Forbes

More job centers = shorter commute lengths = easier access. That goes for people using transit too.

3. Rail is vastly superior to buses, but it's far less comprehensive, even at the city level. Most people don't live a block away from a train stop.

Put it all together, and it's easy to see why LA does well here.
None of these points are true, though.

LA does not have better bus coverage or higher bus ridership than other metros (adjusted for population).

LA has higher auto usage and longer commutes than most metros, so is more "gas guzzling".

LA doesn't have much rail, and this is a major drawback, not an advantage. Rail is the only way you can move huge numbers of transit passengers, and the only way you can have true transit oriented work centers.
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Old 10-13-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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It should be noted that this report is already in the process of being updated. The Accessibility Observatory did not include Minneapolis - St. Paul's new Green Line, which connects downtown Minneapolis, the University of Minnesota, the Midway area, the Capitol area, and downtown St. Paul. Once completed, the Twin Cities area could jump one, maybe two spots.
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Old 10-13-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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None of these points are true though.

LA does not have better bus coverage or higher bus ridership than other metros (adjusted for population).

LA has higher auto usage and longer commutes than most metros, so is more "gas guzzling".

LA doesn't have much rail, and this is a major drawback, not an advantage. Rail is the only way you can move huge numbers of transit passengers, and the only way you can have true transit oriented work centers.
Since you clearly didn't read the link I provided, I'll highlight the section that proves you wrong:

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But what about the city that everyone immediately associates with traffic jams and car culture:*Los Angeles. Incredibly, the city of angels is among the top gas misers. That’s because residents of centrally located areas of L.A. don’t have that far to drive to get to work or the beach. As a result, the L.A.-Long Beach area ranks second among the cities that use the least gasoline, just 630 gallons a year per household
As for LA having inferior bus coverage:

Rank / Metro /Access (Percentage Coverage )
1. Los Angeles 99.1
2. New York 98.7
San Jose 98.2
San Francisco 98.1
3. Miami 97.2
4. DC 96.4
San Diego 95.9
5. Chicago 95.5
6. Philadelphia 95.4
7. Boston 93.1*
8. Houston 73.4*
9. DFW 71.2
10. Atlanta 68.5

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But please, tell me more about your highly intellectual sniff tests. I'm fascinated.
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Old 10-13-2014, 05:09 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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Well yea, if you pretend the IE is not a part of metro LA it looks much better. But we all know there are tons of people from the 909 who crawl 2-3 hours a day in traffic.
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Old 10-13-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Well yea, if you pretend the IE is not a part of metro LA it looks much better. But we all know there are tons of people from the 909 who crawl 2-3 hours a day in traffic.


As if LA/OC wasn't monster big already. These much smaller metros shouldn't be having this much trouble overtaking it in these studies.
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Well yea, if you pretend the IE is not a part of metro LA it looks much better. But we all know there are tons of people from the 909 who crawl 2-3 hours a day in traffic.
Even the IE is trying to improve by building some BRT lines.

When are we going to start counting Tracy and Stockton in with the Bay Area?
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