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Old 10-13-2014, 09:52 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Look guys, the three best major cities for transit in the US are NYC, DC, and Chicago. Really not much debate about that...

List of busiest Amtrak stations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The busiest transit corridor in the US is Bos-Wash of course with an even more narrow focus on everything between NY-PHL-DC. All of these cities mass transit is emded in the culture of the town.

List of United States rapid transit systems by ridership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your bus service cannot override the fact that people in LA drive to do everything there and your train simply does not move enough people to stack up to cities back East. Heck even Baltimore moves about 1/3 the amount of people LA does with a metro of 2.7 +million people vs LA at 15 million! I won't sit here and act like people on the WC don't use transit because they do, but for the entirety of the amount of people who live in LA and the Bay Area it doesn't cover the same ground as cities on the EC. SF (city proper) is very small therefore much easier for buses to cover it and boost their transit numbers up. How about SJ and other parts of the Bay bus ridership?

There are suburbs of DC in the top 5/6 in the nation for transit ridership (Suburbs)

List of U.S. cities with high transit ridership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-13-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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Look guys, the three best major cities for transit in the US are NYC, DC, and Chicago. Really not much debate about that...

List of busiest Amtrak stations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Philly has busier Amtrak stations than Chicago.

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The busiest transit corridor in the US is Bos-Wash of course with an even more narrow focus on everything between NY-PHL-DC. All of these cities mass transit is emded in the culture of the town.

List of United States rapid transit systems by ridership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your bus service cannot override the fact that people in LA drive to do everything there and your train simply does not move enough people to stack up to cities back East. Heck even Baltimore moves about 1/3 the amount of people LA does with a metro of 2.7 +million people vs LA at 15 million! I won't sit here and act like people on the WC don't use transit because they do, but for the entirety of the amount of people who live in LA and the Bay Area it doesn't cover the same ground as cities on the EC. SF (city proper) is very small therefore much easier for buses to cover it and boost their transit numbers up. How about SJ and other parts of the Bay bus ridership?

There are suburbs of DC in the top 5/6 in the nation for transit ridership (Suburbs)

List of U.S. cities with high transit ridership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's no secret that the Northeast corridor has the best transit cities. The gap will only get bigger as cities like Washington DC and Philadelphia continue to make huge improvements in their transit systems.
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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You could see this ranking coming a mile away.

1. LA has arguably the best bus network in the nation. No worse than #2.

1. LA ranks as one of the least gas-guzzling cities in the nation. This is a direct result the region's multi-node style.

America's Most Gas-Guzzling Cities - Forbes

More job centers = shorter commute lengths = easier access. That goes for people using transit too.

3. Rail is vastly superior to buses, but it's far less comprehensive, even at the city level. Most people don't live a block away from a train stop.

Put it all together, and it's easy to see why LA does well here.
No one on this forum takes Forbes seriously; you know better than that. I agree with everything else you said though.
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Old 10-14-2014, 05:35 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Philly has busier Amtrak stations than Chicago.


It's no secret that the Northeast corridor has the best transit cities. The gap will only get bigger as cities like Washington DC and Philadelphia continue to make huge improvements in their transit systems.
Yes 30th Street Station is busier than Chicago's Union, I'm saying that with their bus and trains being busier in Chicago it would average to edge out Philly. Although Philly most likely is right next on the list after the three I mentioned and has good commuter rail options also.
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:13 AM
 
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Since you clearly didn't read the link I provided, I'll highlight the section that proves you wrong:
You didn't prove a thing. Your link doesn't show anything.

The facts show that LA has low transit ridership.

Even looking at bus ridership alone, LA does not have higher bus share than other cities. There is no reason to claim that LA has better bus service than other cities, and we already know transit overall is fairly poor.

Sometimes, with threads like these, you know C-D is a waste of time. Anyone seriously arguing that LA has the second best transit coverage in the U.S. is showing an absurd amount of homerism.

LA is, by far, the most autocentric major city on the planet. It has even lower ridership than Chicago, despite twice the population, and Chicago is very autocentric by global standards (probably the second most autocentric huge city on earth).
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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You didn't prove a thing. Your link doesn't show anything.

The facts show that LA has low transit ridership.

Even looking at bus ridership alone, LA does not have higher bus share than other cities. There is no reason to claim that LA has better bus service than other cities, and we already know transit overall is fairly poor.

Sometimes, with threads like these, you know C-D is a waste of time. Anyone seriously arguing that LA has the second best transit coverage in the U.S. is showing an absurd amount of homerism.

LA is, by far, the most autocentric major city on the planet. It has even lower ridership than Chicago, despite twice the population, and Chicago is very autocentric by global standards (probably the second most autocentric huge city on earth).
Did you read the article? Chicago was 5th on the list for US cities. How is it the 2nd most autocentric? Chicago's transit/auto population is sharply divided, kind of like NYC. Within the high transit zones, Chicago is 2nd only to NYC according to the heat maps provided by the study. A huge swath of land has high-intensity access to jobs in under 30 minutes. If you don't live within that zone, you're likely an auto commuter, yes. Perhaps this is why some people blindly feel Chicago is #2 in the country in terms of transit, but it ends up #5 on a semi-scientific study like this.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Downtown LA
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LA is, by far, the most autocentric major city on the planet.
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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The comment NOLA101 wrote after that was even more outlandish.

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...Chicago is very autocentric by global standards (probably the second most autocentric huge city on earth).
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The gap will only get bigger as cities like Washington DC and Philadelphia continue to make huge improvements in their transit systems.
What is the next huge improvement to SEPTA?
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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What is the next huge improvement to SEPTA?
1. Offering 24-hour service to all its subway lines.
2. Bringing rail service to one of the biggest employment hubs in the area(King of Prussia).
3. Implementing its new state of the art payment system.
4. New Bus-Rapid-Transit lines( SEPTA & NJ Transit)
5. Restoring rail service to Gloucester County(NJ Transit)
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